Windows Defrag Utility

[crazydyke]

Instead of the disk defrag program that comes installed with winxp is there a better prgram for defragmenting?

[locustfurnace]

Diskeeper (http://consumer.execsoft.com/diskeeper/diskeeper.asp?RId=50)
OO-Defrag (http://www.oo-defrag.com/)
Defrag Commander Personal Edition v1.32 (http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,22463,00.asp)
Defrag for Windows: (http://www.pcmesh.com/defrag.htm)
Defragmenter Lite (http://www.abexo.com/defrag.htm)
Power Defrag 3 (http://www.powerdefrag.com/)
Perfect Disk (http://www.raxco.com/products/perfectdiskpe/)
Defrag_to_shutdown (http://medlem.spray.se/mokkelmannen/) for Win 9x/ME
Diskeeper online (http://www.windows-defrag.com/online_test.htm) an online disk examiner.
FAST Defrag Professional (Pro) (http://ams.kappa.ro/index.php?action=1)
Diskeeper Lite 3.0 (http://www.hellasystems.de/ftp/Utilities/HardDisk/DiskeeperLite%203.0/dklite.exe)
Diskeeper Lite 7.0.418 (http://www1.execsoft.com/dklite.exe) (FREEWARE) (12.0megs)


similar thread posted here
http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?a...t=ST&f=3&t=1116 (http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=1116)
and here
http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?a...ct=ST&f=3&t=944 (http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=944)

[CALM]

Are these programs better or just different?
Not trying to me smart, just wondered if there is any reason to download something else. I dont have any problems with defrag in XP. I did with W98 and did use Clean Disc 3 which has vanished fron the internet/cyberspace!
:)

[locustfurnace]

Originally posted by CALM@Oct 15 2003, 09:57 PM
Are these programs better or just different?
Not trying to me smart, just wondered if there is any reason to download something else. I dont have any problems with defrag in XP. I did with W98 and did use Clean Disc 3 which has vanished fron the internet/cyberspace!
:)
Yes, there is a big diference, Even Microsoft states that the built in defrag tool in Win95 --> Me is rather poor. it is not designed like third party apps are.
Microsoft just supplys the bare minimum in a defrag tool, think of it, can you set the defrag too schedule and scan across the network. Also the interface for Windows XP defrag tool, looks so much like Diskeepers, which makes me think they probably had licensed Diskeepers' tool for use in XP.
Back in the older DOS days the recommended tool was Nortons SpeedDisk for defragmenting.
Make note that with todays much faster HardDrives and hyper fast CPU's, fragmentation is les a concern than it was in the past.
even when you do defrag the system, you wont notice an improvement if any.
The only real reason to defrag now is too keep the data orderly incase you plan to do some video editing. or just so you "feel" the system is faster.
Windows is still the only OS that makes an issue with fragmentation and defragmenting the filesystem, since there is no concern for that issue with other OS's, such as the UNICS, or *BSD's.
Windows NT does not ship with a defrag tool. guess Microsoft did not feel it was necessary or they just did not have a good enough or who knows why.

[Goslow]

Originally posted by CALM@Oct 15 2003, 09:57 PM
I did with W98 and did use Clean Disc 3 which has vanished fron the internet/cyberspace!
:)


Abra Cadabra
I see youve updated maybe you could post on how well cdisk3 served you.
I for 1 still have 98.
If its the same app' you used I found a version if anyone wants it.
A cleaner rather than defrag though.
Freeware Version: 3.5
OS: Windows 95/98 Date: 2000/08/30
Size: 2.20 MB
Review:
Clean Disk 3 is a very simple and quick program to use. It can help protect your privacy, allowing you to clear out your history and cookie files with just the touch of a button. Clean Disk comes with a list of file types it removes, which you can add to or remove from, then set it to work with just the touch of a button. The menus are mostly self-explanatory but, when one is encountered that isn't, the lack of support and help files for this product are put in a bad light.
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Clean Disk v.3.6.0 2.00 MB 2001-03-02 cdisk3.exe I ran but not installed exe ver3.6.0 (ftp://ftp.szkola.net/komputery/tools/sys/cdisk3.exe)
You should note that it requires the Visual Basic 6 Runtime files
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<s>http://www.aesoftware.com/cdisk3.zip</s> deadlink
Version: 3.72
License: Freeware
cdisk3.zip (May 29 2001, 2.9M)
Clean Disk will free up disk space by deleting temporary directories, and other files such as remaining setup files that are not required ( :o O.V&#39;s ) and will not harm Windows and/or any program. Clean Disk also includes an Update utility that lets you have the latest version of Clean Disk easy and fast, just a single-click and you are on your way of having the latest version of the program.WARNING latest would b shareware
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Clean Disk 2003 is shareware. This program can be tested for a period of 30 days
Program: Clean Disk 2003
Version: 5.1.1
Size: 2.41 MB (2,528,423 bytes)
http://www.aesoftware.com/cdisk2003_download.htm Download page
Links functional but have not been tested for exact file/version (click on link oar :) right click save target as)

[CALM]

Originally posted by Goslow@Oct 16 2003, 07:19 AM

Abra Cadabra
I see youve updated maybe you could post on how well cdisk3 served you.
I for 1 still have 98.
If its the same app&#39; you used I found a version if anyone wants it.
A cleaner rather than defrag though.




THANK YOU&#33; When I use the W98 puter I will def. download/pay for Clean Disc 3&#33; It worked wonderfully for me for derfag and cookie mgmt. Could not get the windows defrag to work without doing SafeMode. Cookie mgmt isnt so much of an issue now that I have NS 7.1:)
Clean Disc 3 worked well for me&#33;

[Goslow]

Originally posted by CALM@Oct 16 2003, 08:42 AM
download/pay for Clean Disc 3&#33; Clean Disc 3 worked well for me&#33;
Pay&#33; pay&#33; :o ss sorry I&#39;m trying to stay calm ;)
Why <s>pay</s> the old version was and still is freeware
If it worked well why update unless paying is an improvement.I guess the authors think so&#33;

[CALM]

Originally posted by Goslow+Oct 16 2003, 03:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Goslow @ Oct 16 2003, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--CALM@Oct 16 2003, 08:42 AM
download/pay for Clean Disc 3&#33; Clean Disc 3 worked well for me&#33;
Pay&#33; pay&#33; :o ss sorry I&#39;m trying to stay calm ;)
Why <s>pay</s> the old version was and still is freeware
If it worked well why update unless paying is an improvement.I guess the authors think so&#33;[/b][/quote]
Sorry-- didnt mean to shock you. It was early and I was stumbling around as usual and saw "shareware" and thought "pay" But if I can get the old version that works for me back I certainly will. DOnt worry-- I have lots of Scottish ancestors ;)

[locustfurnace]

Originally posted by Goslow+Oct 16 2003, 03:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Goslow @ Oct 16 2003, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--CALM@Oct 16 2003, 08:42 AM
download/pay for Clean Disc 3&#33;* Clean Disc 3 worked well for me&#33;
Pay&#33; pay&#33; :o ss sorry I&#39;m trying to stay calm ;)
Why <s>pay</s> the old version was and still is freeware
If it worked well why update unless paying is an improvement.I guess the authors think so&#33; [/b][/quote]
Paying for an app will insure that the author has funds to continue developing the program. Even alot of freeware authors who dont charge for their apps wont turn away some extra cash.
there is nothing wrong with paying for an app you like and wish to continue to see future versions.
Maybe the old version is freeware, but if CALM wants to, can toss some money, thats up CALM.

[locustfurnace]

Originally posted by Goslow@Oct 16 2003, 07:19 AM
A cleaner rather than defrag though.

Thats a file deletion, history killer app, not a DEFRAG tool. they are not similar or even closely the same.
If you want a disk cleaning utility, post that in a topic, since this is unrelated to disk defragmentation tools.
And I think I already covered file cleaning in a post way back, long ago.
I am sure CALM has notes from it written down somewhere also.

I am just making sure it is well noted that CleanDisk is a different utility, and does not Defrag the HD as the ones I have listed. Just dont want someone downloading cleandisk then coming back and saying OV told them to use this to defrag their HD and it did not work. which happened already with another app......

[CALM]

I havent had time to look closely at CleanDisc3 but I know way back I had asked for the defrag program by that name and it couldnt be found :( but if it is not the defrag program that I wanted I can tell the difference ;)
And Locustfurnace (and anyone else)-- when I find useful info on your posts I tend to save it in Word or print it out and put it in a notebook that I am compiling. (I know that is so old-fashioned, but I like to be able to read paper articles and magazine and newspapers and not be "online" sometimes) :o
If I can easily reread something that I dont quite understand it tends to become less like algebra&#33; Since I dont have a laptop I cant read stuff in the recliner&#33;
:)

[locustfurnace]

Originally posted by CALM@Oct 17 2003, 04:09 PM
And Locustfurnace (and anyone else)-- when I find useful info on your posts I tend to save it in Word or print it out and put it in a notebook that I am compiling. (I know that is so old-fashioned, but I like to be able to read paper articles and magazine and newspapers and not be "online" sometimes) :o
well i got a dozen notebooks, that i write down info i read in books, zines, articles. anytime i make a new find, i write em down. Especially since alot of the info is something you wont use on a daily basis, and can be forgotten easily.
Such as when i am working on a database and i need a sql script to compare 3 or more items. and i find a good output i like, i write the script down so i can reuse the script later.
I know computers dont last as long as printed paper that is certain, i do have 1 book in my book library that is from 1835, while none of the computers i have are that old : )

[Goslow]

Originally posted by locustfurnace+Oct 16 2003, 06:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (locustfurnace @ Oct 16 2003, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Goslow@Oct 16 2003, 07:19 AM
A cleaner rather than defrag though.

Thats a file deletion, history killer app, not a DEFRAG tool. they are not similar or even closely the same.
If you want a disk cleaning utility, post that in a topic, since this is unrelated to disk defragmentation tools.

I am just making sure it is well noted that CleanDisk is a different utility, and does not Defrag the HD as the ones I have listed. Just dont want someone downloading cleandisk then coming back and saying OV told them to use this to defrag their HD and it did not work. which happened already with another app......[/b][/quote]
Thanks locustfurnace
if I may add
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Advisory for "someones" or their offspring: Do not continue reading/staring uncomprehendly my post as I have made glaring omissions in its construction and safety protocols the possibilty exists that it could explode sending fragmented sentences & random letters to penetrate the eyes.
Of course I could have miscalculated and the above cannot happen by continuing on you assume all&any risks and neither I nor my host can be held responsible.

The program reportedly links to MS Defrag and MS Scandisk and other utils

cdisk3 update:

Program: Clean Disk 2002
Version: 4.2.1
Size: 3.72 MB (3,911,499 bytes)
OS Compatibility: Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP.

Still freeware-this maybe instructive it is not an instruction&#33; you hopefully are free to do as you will.

cdisk2002_info.htm read more > (http://www.aesoftware.com/cdisk2002_info.htm)
download page > (http://www.aesoftware.com/cdisk2002_download.htm)

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* higher source

[locustfurnace]

but it is still not a defrag tool. even with links fixed does not make it a defragmentor&#33;
as i said, if someone wants a disk cleaner, they need to post a topic and can fill that in with lots of links to disk cleaners. this thread now needs to be defragmented from "corrupt" data. : )

[Goslow]

Well from what I see the freeware side of defrag is kinda lite but kinda interesting:

Diskeeper Lite from Executive Software
This high speed manual defragmenter is the first and only one of its kind, designed exclusively for Windows NT 4.0 (build 1381 or higher). It includes Fragmentation Analysis Utility, and works on NTFS and FAT partitions.
http://www.webattack.com/get/dkeeperlite.shtml
Originally posted by http://www.enterprisenetworkingmagazine.com/monthly/2002/12/tools.shtml+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (http://www.enterprisenetworkingmagazine.com/monthly/2002/12/tools.shtml)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>It contains.. defragmentation technology like the full version- but is designed for standalone machines.File fragmentation...To address this issue back in the 90s- Microsoft had Executive Software develop a stripped-down version of its Diskeeper .. for inclusion with Windows. If you are using Windows 2000 or later.. you have this tool under the name of Microsoft Disk Defragmenter (MDD) or Windows Disk Defragmenter.The release of MDD- in fact- signaled the end of Diskeeper Lite for almost two years.After over half a million downloads- Executive Software withdrew its freeware utility. User demand continued- however- and just recently an updated tool was finally released- once again as unrestricted freeware. Result: Since the relaunch- Diskeeper Lite racks 10.000 downloads per week- almost all of them from users who already have MDD...it performs the job three to five times as fast as the built-in utility- according to tests conducted by NSTL...Perhaps even more important..is the fact that NSTL found Diskeeper to do a significantly better job of defragging drives running Windows 2000 in the configurations that they tested.NSTL also found this to be the case in their more recent performance tests on Windows XP.[/b]
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O&O Defrag 2000 - This freeware is optimized for Windows NT 4 Workstation and Server and also for Windows 2000 Professional, Server and Advanced Server. It is completely integrated into the Microsoft Management Console as a snap-in and may be used to replace the standard Windows 2000 defragmentation software. Functionality Partitions can be analyzed and manually defragmented with the SPACE defragmentation function.
Ohh Yeeah Conspiracy & Freeware :) NEWS ALTERNATIVE: Diskeeper, Freeware for NT, integrated in Windows 2000, offers less features and is said to be Scientology related. (http://www.oo-software.com/en/news/2001/news_20010205.html)

O&O Defrag 2000 Freeware Edition v.3.5 build 562 file PAGE (http://www.tlfw.dk/TLFW/O&O%20Defrag%202000.php) last freeware version

Help & O&O Defrag 2000 Freeware Edition v3.0 here + Page Defrag v2.01[/b] (http://www.education.tas.gov.au/tco/helpDesk/maintenance/defrag/)

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Contig is a single-file defragmenter that attempts to make files contiguous on disk. Its perfect for quickly optimizing files that are continuously becoming fragmented, or that you want to ensure are in as few fragments as possible.

Originally posted by MLL-http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-02-03.htm#5@
Defrag "Tricks"
If you ask the Win2K/XP&#39;s defragmenter run on a hard disk- it can&#39;t defrag things such as registry files in use- or the virtual memory file (pagefile.sys). So here&#39;s the first trick use Sysinternals&#39; free PageDefrag available at http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware...agedefrag.shtml (http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/pagedefrag.shtml) that does the job- with one cool option it can automatically do it at every boot. I chose this- with no problem at all.

After Win2K/XP&#39; defragmenter runs (on GUI mode), if you click on the "display report" button- many times you can see that for some reasons (mostly available space I think) some non system files stay - sometimes very - fragmented. Trick #2 here you can use Sysinternals&#39; free Contig ( http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware...re/contig.shtml (http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/contig.shtml) ). It&#39;s a command-line tool that instantly defrags any file you want (except the aforementioned).

But if the fragmented files are many, the task can be daunting. That&#39;s where trick #3 comes: choose to save the report file, and use the attached file (configReport.cmd). It takes the report file as argument- parses it and does a "contig" on every file it finds referenced. Feel free to improve it as you like.

Now- for a quick- everyday way of working- here&#39;s the 4th trick: when you choose to save the report from Win2K/XP&#39;s defragmenter- choose a filename with an unused extension (for instance VolumeG.txt.dfl or VolumeG.txt.defragreportfile). Then double-click this file, choose "Select the program in a list"- then "Browse..."- select contigReport.cmd- click OK. From now on- whenever you double-click any file like VolumeG.txt.defragreportfile (or whatever extension you chose)- an automatic defrag will be done on them. ) Enjoy- MLL
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Power Defrag is a system tool designed to optimize the performance of the Windows 9x Disk Defragmenter Applet.
<!--QuoteBegin-- http://www.setiathomescreensaverspeed.co.u...defrag/lite.htm (http://www.setiathomescreensaverspeed.co.uk/downloads/freeware/powerdefrag/lite.htm)
Power Defrag 2.1 beta 2 is freeware and is found behind the &#39;Download Power Defrag 3.1&#39; link[/quote]Thanks for the clue guys ;) some help here to <<<<

Last freeware
Power Defrag 2.10 beta 2 for users of Windows 98 and Windows ME. (http://www.powerdefrag.com/download/pdc210B2.exe)

Power Defrag 2.00 for users of Windows 95. (http://www.powerdefrag.com/download/pdc200.exe)

[locustfurnace]

GoSlow, I know your adding freeware versions which is always a good thing. But i already have a diskeeperlite version 7 in the listing.
Talking about conspiracy, here&#39;s another for you.
Defragmented filesystems is only an *issue* with the MS Windows family of operating systems. ALL other OS&#39;s do not suffer from filesystem fragmentation performance issues.
And really even today fragmentation is not a serious issue with windows as it used to be. Thats not because Windows is better, its because the hardware has sped up so far that fragmentation does not hinder performance thanks to multi-Ghz processors and ATA133 controllers, and 533Mhz Front-Side Buses and everything else.

[Goslow]

Edit: 1-5=
Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
schadenfreude

[Goslow]

2/5

[locustfurnace]

That&#39;s good to know, will change post accordingly.
I never tried it, as it requires one to have Active X enabled, and it also only defrags Windows filesystems.

[Goslow]

3/5

[locustfurnace]

Thats correct. though it depends on your setup if it would cause fragmentations, if your running your temps and IE temps and swap file on a seperate partition, then it should not fragment the root part.
Since your setting this straight, hows about some help setting up my IPFW?

[Goslow]

4/5

[locustfurnace]

who said anything about tracking?

[jaredcheeda]

hey, I&#39;m trying to find the Windows 98 Defragmenter, I&#39;ve looked all over the place and all I can find is references to using the newer ones because they&#39;re faster. I&#39;ve got XP and have the defragmenter that came with it, I&#39;m just trying to find the old 98 defrag.exe

looked like this
http://www.zutroy.com/images/defrag.jpg

if anyones got it or knows of a site online that they can give me a link to, it would be appreciated.

[straight talker]

windows 98 defrag program was a microsoft product which are retail software and i believe it would be illegal to find it for download unless of course it was from microsoft itself,or reinstalling it from your windows cd. you may be better to try an alternative such as diskeeper http://www.diskeeper.com/defrag.asp

[LRI41]

http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html

[straight talker]

Originally posted by LRI41@Jul 16 2005, 07:55 AM
http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html
the poster wanted a defrag program ? not something that removes or adds windows components for which you would still need the installation files

[locustfurnace]

Topic merged with pre-existing thread

[skateguy5]

hey i was wonder if I could some how get the win98 defragmenter on my xp


thank you :cool:

[locustfurnace]

Firstly, you would not want to run it on XP, since it can not handle the NTFS (filesystem) and second, it is slow.
The defrag in XP is actually not made by Microsoft, but licensed from Diskeeper - which makes one of the best MS Windows disk defragmenters around

I am merging this is an existing thread.