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trewy

11-07-2003, 08:19 AM

Hey what web browsers do you guys use or reccommend?

I'm not to impressed with Internet Explorer currently on IE6

Whats good for functionality?

Whats good for custimization?

Whats good for stability?

Most importantly whats fast and isn't resource hogging or too bulky?

If you could give me a web browser for each it would be most apreciated :D

I think the sickest web browser I've come across is:

Off By One Web Browser (http://www.OffByOne.com)
I think It might just be the smallest and fastest web browser to date!

FREEWARE
full HTML 3.2 support
Its self-contained, stand-alone 1.1MB application with no dependencies on any other browser or browser component

Also all pages, images and cookies are memory-resident and utilize no disk storage, so they disappear without a trace at the end of a browsing session.

For Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Windows XP.

Only down side is it doesn't support ActiveX, Flash or JavaScript.

can't wait for your input
cheers

guest_The Dude

11-07-2003, 12:36 PM

I recommend MyIE2 (http://www.myie2.com)

Far better than ANY browser i've seen online!!

The Dude :)

locustfurnace

11-07-2003, 04:10 PM

The fastest web browser is without a doubt, LYNX, http://lynx.browser.org/ . It runs on Un*x, VMS, Windows 95/98/NT but not 3.1 or 3.11, on DOS (386 or higher) and OS/2 EMX. Equally as impressive would be Links, http://links.sourceforge.net/
less then 720kbs.
I run Lynx on my server, and also across the network from a remote session.
Off By One is a good fast browser as well. I've used it in the past. http://www.offbyone.com/
I presently prefer to use Galeon, http://galeon.sourceforge.net/ but i am slowly switching more and more just over to Konqueror, http://www.konqueror.org/ for web browsing and file managment. The more features you add, the slower the browser wil be to load.

Teddy

11-07-2003, 08:13 PM

Mozilla Firebird:

Supports the latest in web standards
Fast and Stable
Lightweight
Expandable
FULLY customizable
Ad and popup blocking
Secure
Portable ... available for nearly any OS

trewy

11-08-2003, 08:39 AM

Thanks heaps! checked them out it helped alot

cheers dudes

guest_Tom

11-11-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by locustfurnace@Nov 7 2003, 05:10 PM
The fastest web browser is without a doubt, LYNX, http://links.sourceforge.net/. It runs on Un*x, VMS, Windows 95/98/NT but not 3.1 or 3.11, on DOS (386 or higher) and OS/2 EMX. Equally as impressive would be Links, http://lynx.browser.org/ less then 720kbs.
I run Lynx on my server, and also across the network from a remote session.
Off By One is a good fast browser as well. I've used it in the past. http://www.offbyone.com/
I presently prefer to use Galeon, http://galeon.sourceforge.net/ but i am slowly switching more and more just over to Konqueror, http://www.konqueror.org/ for web browsing and file managment. The more features you add, the slower the browser wil be to load.
Thanks for the tip about Links. Blows Lynx, which I have been using, away. You should have mentioned of the dlls required for us window users though! :D

guest_Tom

11-11-2003, 12:15 PM

Forgot to add you got Links and Lynx mixed up on your urls. :lol:

locustfurnace

11-11-2003, 04:11 PM

lol, yea. I'll fix that mix up. thanks for that.
as for the dlls. sorry about that, but since I run both on BSD, i had not paid much mind for the Windows versions and requirements.

11-17-2003, 11:37 PM

I have to say Firebird, great plugins!!

locustfurnace

11-18-2003, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by T@Nov 18 2003, 12:37 AM
I have to say Firebird, great plugins!!
Yes, Firebird is a good browser, except one draw back to it is, if you change the User Agent from its default (which can cause some problems in that also), if you change User Agent to something like Windows XP, i have gotten errors when loading Firebird with java enabled, stating not to use MS java but to use one for netscape. since the java thinks you are running IE, which is funny and i am sure will be fixed.
not a big deal, but rather frustrating to have that error message open each time when loading the browser.
solution is to return User Agent back to Original. but you might have some sites that don't work since your not running IE.

the email client - Thunderbird is also a good app.

curious

11-19-2003, 08:59 AM

K-meleon (mozilla based) and CrazyBrowser (uses IE rendering engine) are best/fastest windoze browsers.

Galeon is fastest Linux browser although Konqueror has made great strides. Both take less resources than Mozilla. I like Opera in Linux also. For some reason not crazy about it running in windows, at least not modern versions. And if you like Links (I do) try Links-hacked. Its a graphic version of Links. Not perfect, but great on older systems where other browsers take forever to load. It comes with Damn Small Linux which is a 50mb cd version of linux that can run from cd/ram or be installed to hardrive if you want. By far best linux to run on early pentiums and even later 486's, especially laptops.

locustfurnace

11-19-2003, 07:30 PM

Don't know what is the fastest browser, but Firebird is very fast, have not tried K-meleon in a while. Just built a win2k system and stuffed Firebird on it. and it works extremely well. but when the system is a 3Ghz CPU, anything loads fast.

I dont care much for Galeon these days, used to like it, they have made changes which arent UNIX like, such as removing the ability to CTRL+U on the URL, and a few other features have been either removed or forgotten. So I end up using Konqueror alot more than used to, and Galeon alot less. I do like Galeon, but its losing its features I liked about it.
The fastest Linux browser would be Lynx & Links, one of the fastest graphical web browsers would be Dillo, http://www.dillo.org/. thats one I had forgotten about. Used to use it alot in the past. but mostly run *BSD without X, so I make use lynx alot.
Dillo is very small too, around 300kb.
Any linux distro will run fine on an older system, if you install it without X, would rather use NetBSD without X on older systems, as it runs on many more platforms than any other OS out there.
I usually run FD Linux, http://www.fdlinux.com/ on older platforms, as it is floppy distro, I've run it on an older 92Mhz Overdrive 486 system with 20 megs RAM, no HD.

found this graphical web browser,
i jini very small web browser! 66kb! supports tabbed browsing also.
http://www.ijini.batcave.net/
Avant Browser claims on web site to the be the fastest. an upgrade to Internet Explorer. Avant Browser is a fast, stable, user-friendly, versatile multi-window browser.
http://www.avantbrowser.com/

Trewy

11-24-2003, 09:51 AM

i jini very small web browser! 66kb! supports tabbed browsing also.
http://www.ijini.batcave.net/

:o :o dats crazy!

locustfurnace

11-24-2003, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Trewy@Nov 24 2003, 10:51 AM

i jini very small web browser! 66kb! supports tabbed browsing also.
http://www.ijini.batcave.net/

:o :o dats crazy!
yes it is, considering the 30Megs MS Internet Explorer takes up. and even some browsers icons can be larger than 66kb.
here is a DOS graphical web browser,
Arachne is currently fullscreen graphical WWW browser which runs on DOS compatible operating systems. Distribution package for DOS includes freeware PPP dialer, WAV player, etc. Utilities like MPEG video player, AVI/Quicktime/MPEG3 multimedia player or TELNET client, as well as alternative fonts or "skins" can be very easily downloaded as "Arachne packages" - APMs. can also use it for a directory browser
http://browser.arachne.cz/

Guest

11-24-2003, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Trewy@Nov 24 2003, 10:51 AM

i jini very small web browser! 66kb! supports tabbed browsing also.
http://www.ijini.batcave.net/

:o :o dats crazy!
Ijini took a bit more space to install on my old win95 computer. Had to install 526kb mscomctl.ocx and 50kb msstdfmt.dll. No documentation, but believe it is probably dependent on IE files being available. I've got an old version of win95 (pre95a)that didnt come with any version of IE. Not worth the effort to try this with it. Thats true test of whether its IE dependent or not.

guest_tom

11-27-2003, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Guest+Nov 25 2003, 12:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guest @ Nov 25 2003, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Trewy@Nov 24 2003, 10:51 AM

i jini very small web browser! 66kb! supports tabbed browsing also.
http://www.ijini.batcave.net/

:o :o dats crazy!
Ijini took a bit more space to install on my old win95 computer. Had to install 526kb mscomctl.ocx and 50kb msstdfmt.dll. No documentation, but believe it is probably dependent on IE files being available. I've got an old version of win95 (pre95a)that didnt come with any version of IE. Not worth the effort to try this with it. Thats true test of whether its IE dependent or not. [/b][/quote]
I use Off By One on my old laptop with the first version of Win 95 - there is no dependency on IE (well it's not even installed!) and it is pretty stable.

Franck

11-28-2003, 12:50 PM

Hi
Netcaptor (http://www.netcaptor.com) is definitly my favorite browser.
Tabulations, customizable Anti-popup, customizable URL stopper, URL alias, URL shortcuts with keywords, multi-language, etc...
I can't surf the web without it.
Ok, it's not free but it really worth the registration.
--
Franck

Guest

12-03-2003, 02:34 AM

Opera 7.23 (Build: 3227) www.opera.com

CALM

12-03-2003, 11:31 AM

OK I have to chime in here.:) WE REALLY LIKE Netscape 7.1.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp

It works well on old W98 computer and has LOTS of free features that you can pay for in other programs (pop-up blockers etc)
I do plan to download Mozilla sometime and look at it but since we are happy with this.....

locustfurnace

12-03-2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by CALM@Dec 3 2003, 01:31 PM
...WE REALLY LIKE Netscape 7.1.......I do plan to download Mozilla...
If your happy with netscape, not need to download Mozilla, as it is basically the same exact software. Mozilla is just the Open Source version of Netscape. You might want to take the Mozilla Firebird (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/) for a spin, which is built on the Mozilla code. I am sure if you like Netscape, you'll find Firebird even more interesting.
The last computer i had built for someone; just a few days ago, I installed Firebird (web browser) and the Mozilla Thunderbird Mail Project (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/) (email client). I found the thunderbird email client much easier for users to learn, as the icons seemed to be named alittle more understandable for new users. and i do not believe there would be the same issues with Thunderbird as you would encounter with Outlook, such as infecting your computer via VBscript files in html webpages.
I would have to say one of the best improvements to Netscape and family, has to be tabbed browsing. I like that i can click on a link with the mouse's middle button, and force the page to load in a tab, behind the current page i am viewing, then i can flip to that page. This way i can let pages load in the background and get to them when i want, and so much less clutter on the system. More and more new web browser's support this, except for IE.

aem4162

12-03-2003, 03:44 PM

myie2...it's a heck of a lot more stable than ie6 (i had a heck of a lot of problems with it crashing/locking up), it's skinnable, frequent upgrades...

Sara

12-22-2003, 05:40 PM

I've been using Avant Browser for a year now and I have to say that I don't know how I did without it! Great support forum, responsive author--one guy, Anderson Che, is the developer and the program has been evolving ever since I started using it. It stops pop-ups, plays well with most download managers, has a Google search bar, the current beta has ad-block, right click translations and the whole kit and kaboodle is skinnable!

Avant Browser Home Page (http://www.avantbrowser.com/)

Sara :D

SickLove

12-22-2003, 06:30 PM

No way to compare Internet Explorer with any other browser.
But Opers is not bad and the worst is 100% Netscape

Microsoft Maniac

locustfurnace

12-22-2003, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by SickLove@Dec 22 2003, 08:30 PM
No way to compare Internet Explorer with any other browser.
But Opers is not bad and the worst is 100% Netscape

Microsoft Maniac
Would you like to explain alittle on your reasoning as to why you feel Ms IE is that good, since there are not many who feel as you say you do.

I have to give my vote to Konqueror as the best I presently use. though ocassionaly I also use the Nautilus Environment but I dont spend enough time using it. and then i have to pick Links & Lynx as favorite text-only browsers.
I use Konqueror with its panel explorer, 2 windows and xterm on 1 UI. this i find the be extremely useful and permits very fast file managment, short of using Midnight Commander. and since Konqueror can display just about any file in a preview panel, movies, text, htmls, pdfs, ps, shell scripts, NFS & Samba shares, and is highly customizable; short-cuts keys editible, I/O slaves; such I/O slave as Music Manager, which permits Konqueror to edit Vorbis comments or ID3tag editing, then there is its html picture image generator and cant forget its built in cvs utility... i find it to be one of the most powerful browsers out there.

The Dude

12-24-2003, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by aem4162@Dec 3 2003, 04:44 PM
"myie2...it's a heck of a lot more stable than ie6 (i had a heck of a lot of problems with it crashing/locking up), it's skinnable, frequent upgrades..."

Yes,i use MyIE2 and it is far better than ANYTHING ELSE LISTED HERE and I would recommend it hand down...

The Dude :)
*

-Jk-

12-24-2003, 07:57 AM

I use Opera v7.21 build 3218, swedish version. The best IMO :)

locustfurnace

12-24-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by The Dude+Dec 24 2003, 08:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Dude @ Dec 24 2003, 08:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--aem4162@Dec 3 2003, 04:44 PM
"myie2...it's a heck of a lot more stable than ie6 (i had a heck of a lot of problems with it crashing/locking up), it's skinnable, frequent upgrades..."

Yes,i use MyIE2 and it is far better than ANYTHING ELSE LISTED HERE and I would recommend it hand down...

The Dude :)
*[/b][/quote]
Thats a big statment to make, "ANYTHING ELSE LISTED HERE", since i am sure myie2 does not have built in cvs, or I/O Slaves or a terminal emulator to execute shell commands, or the ability to validate HTML and/or CSS pages or show DOM trees or a built in language translator, or image gallery creator, or handle SMB mounts, does it have a LAN browser?

The Dude

12-26-2003, 03:10 AM

Hehehehe,

I meant all other BROWSERS listed here,MyIE2 (http://www.myie2.com) is the best!!!!!

The Dude :)

locustfurnace

12-26-2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by The Dude@Dec 26 2003, 05:10 AM
I meant all other BROWSERS listed here,MyIE2 (http://www.myie2.com) is the best!!!!!
I have Konqueror listed here on this page, or are you referring to some other page. I'd have to rate Lynx as a second place best, for me, since i run it across an ssh session, and thats important for testing & reading FAQ htmls when installing software on my servers, since i am not running X on them i still need a way to read the faqs and Lynx does its good.
I am not sure many browser, other than Lynx or Links can be run across a ssh session either. So that rates it rather high for me

My Name

01-02-2004, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by -Jk-@Dec 24 2003, 08:57 AM
I use Opera v7.21 build 3218, swedish version. The best IMO :)
Don't use Opera v.7.21 or 7.22, or earlier.
Use v. 7.23.
The earlier 7.xx versions have a serious security bug which was only remedied in 7.23.

Guest

01-10-2004, 02:30 AM

hey the dude, I finally got myie2 to show my site properly (myie2 off-topic forum, "mystery")
anyway, myie2 is the best, everything else is junk!
ah, those mouse gestires... no other browser has those!

locustfurnace

01-10-2004, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by Guest+Jan 10 2004, 03:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guest @ Jan 10 2004, 03:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>hey the dude, I finally got myie2 to show my site properly (myie2 off-topic forum, "mystery")
anyway, myie2 is the best, everything else is junk!
ah, those mouse gestires... no other browser has those![/b]
Mouse gestures are ok if you like being tethered to the mouse, its still much faster with accelerator keys.

Originally posted by Opera@ http://www.opera.com/products/user/index.d...latform=windows (http://www.opera.com/products/user/index.dml?platform=windows) +--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opera@ http://www.opera.com/products/user/index.d...latform=windows (http://www.opera.com/products/user/index.dml?platform=windows) )</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Mouse gestures
Opera puts more power at your fingertips with smart and fast mouse gesture recognition[/b] Mouse gestures were first implemented in the Opera browser.

Originally posted by -Fast Browser Pro@ http://www.fastbrowser.net/
Fast Browser Pro Mouse gestures Command browser with small mouse movements easily As does Fast Browser Pro

Originally posted by -Avant Browser@ http://www.avantbrowser.com/
And there are two handy mouse gestures in Avant Browser. And Avant Browser

Originally posted by -Modev@ http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/index.html
Mouse movements in combination with a click-hold and optionally a modifier that execute some browser functions. And so can Mozilla, Firebird, Galeon...

Originally posted by - http://www.sharewarejunkies.com/03zwd2/netcaptor.htm
In NetCaptor gestures are performed by depressing the right-alternate mouse button performing the action and then releasing the mouse buttonand so can Netcaptor
<!--QuoteBegin--K-Meleon@ http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/index....d=MouseGestures (http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?id=MouseGestures) @
This new feature is enabled by default. It is as simple to use as right-clicking while sliding your mouse left or right.[/quote]K-Meleon offers it as well.

Seems many offer this feature, what alot do not have is.
<!--QuoteBegin--Conversay Voice Surfer @ http://www.conversay.com/Products/Browsers/VS/
Conversay Voice Surfer is a fast easy hands- and eyes-free way to surf the Web. Whether you're using your PC at home the office or school voice browsing is more natural and convenient than point-and-click browsing.[/quote]

TheBulbasaurfreak

01-10-2004, 11:29 AM

Use Mozilla Firebird if u are an experienced computer user, or Opera, but I don't like the banner ad. Is myie2 a good add on for IE?

locustfurnace

01-10-2004, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by TheBulbasaurfreak@Jan 10 2004, 12:29 PM
but I don't like the banner ad.
Opera is a good browser, but not free, To remove the banner ad, you can pay for it to have it removed.
Better to use Firebird

here are a couple more web browsers to try out

SlimBrowser (http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/) FREE, is a tabbed multiple-site browser. It incorporates a large collection of powerful features like built-in popup killer, skinned window frame, form filler, site group, quick-search, auto login, hidden sites, built-in commands and scripting, online translation, script error suppression, blacklist / whitelist filtering, URL Alias.
Act10 (http://jansfreeware.com/jfinternet.htm) FREE and SMALL just 817kb, a compact and fast ON-LINE WWW-Browser, it has a built-in un-ZIP capability for downloaded software.
Fast Browser Pro (http://www.fastbrowser.net/) is an innovative Web Browser, can open up to 180 homepages at the same time. Built in pop-up killer, mouse gestures, ability to read web pages to you.
MyInternet (http://www.myinternet.com-download.net/) is a Web Browser, with powerful mouse gestures and multi-window viewing.
Avant Browser (http://www.avantbrowser.com/) FREE, stable, easy-to-use, versatile tabbed browser.
Netcaptor (http://www.sharewarejunkies.com/03zwd2/netcaptor.htm) Shareware, requires that IE is installed
Emacs-W3 is a full-featured web browser, written entirely in Emacs-Lisp (http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html)
FREE, HotJava (http://java.sun.com/products/hotjava/index.html) Sun's HotJava Browser 3.0 provides a highly-customizable modular solution for creating and deploying Web-enabled applications across a wide array of environments and devices.
NeoPlanet Browser (http://www.neoplanet.com/)
1X (http://www.scitrav.com/1X/) SHAREWARE, is a compact, fast, easy-to-use web browser (no spyware), with a range of features not available in other web browsers.
Turbo Browser (http://www.filestream.com/turbobrowser/) SHAREWARE
AmiWeb (http://www.midmultimedia.com/Mid_DW/en/home.htm) SHAREWARE, is a completely enclosed work/play environment that does not allow your children to go to unapproved places on the Internet without your permission.
Off By One Web Browser (http://offbyone.com/) FREE, Small, 1meg in size. NEW PNG support. no dependencies on any other browser or browser component.
Crazy Browser (http://www.crazybrowser.com/) FREE, It has the ability to open multiple sites and windows inside a single browser task. It also has a Smart Popup Filter - it blocks all the annoying popups automatically!
MiniBrowser (http://www.geocities.com/minibrws/)
404browser (http://www.ltpb.8m.com/404Browser/About.html)FREE (500kbs) is a unique web browser for the people who wish to surf the Internet to the fullest extent. It is built with productivity, speed, and security in mind. Some of the features include a note pad, for jotting down notes; agents that learn from you; pop-up and ad blocking; instant access to weather, quotes, and definitions; privacy protection, and efficient bookmark management.
Beonex (http://www.beonex.com/) FREE, a full-featured web-browser and email/news client targeted at end-users - both individuals at home and companies of all sizes.

other platforms browsers

Dillo (http://www.dillo.org/) *nix
Dillo is small: source is less than 400 KB, and the binary is around 350 KB! Dillo is mainly based on GTK+ (GNOME is NOT required!). Current code uses an improved html-parser (it was based on gzilla's), and almost everything else was rewritten from scratch!.
Epiphany, The web browser for the GNOME Desktop (http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/)
Macweb (http://helpdesk.uvic.ca/how-to/support/mac/macweb.html) good for older Mac's
OmniWeb (http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/) Mac OS X Browser unlimited, free trial.

Text-Only Web Browsers
Elinks (http://elinks.or.cz/index.html)
is an advanced and well-established feature-rich text mode web (HTTP/FTP/..) browser. ELinks can render both frames and tables, is highly customizable
WizLynx (http://www.geocities.com/wzlx42/index.html)Text mode Web browser for DOS Computers
libwww (http://www.w3.org/LineMode/) It is a character based Web browser developed for use on terminals.
Links (http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/)
is a text WWW browser with tables. Runs on Unix and OS/2.
Lynx (http://lynx.browser.org/)
is a text browser for the World Wide Web. Lynx 2.8.3 runs on Un*x, VMS, Windows 95/98/NT but not 3.1 or 3.11, on DOS (386 or higher) and OS/2 EMX.

Guest

02-10-2004, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by guest_tom+Nov 27 2003, 08:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (guest_tom @ Nov 27 2003, 08:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Guest@Nov 25 2003, 12:48 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Trewy@Nov 24 2003, 10:51 AM

i jini very small web browser! 66kb! supports tabbed browsing also.
http://www.ijini.batcave.net/

:o :o dats crazy!
Ijini took a bit more space to install on my old win95 computer. Had to install 526kb mscomctl.ocx and 50kb msstdfmt.dll. No documentation, but believe it is probably dependent on IE files being available. I've got an old version of win95 (pre95a)that didnt come with any version of IE. Not worth the effort to try this with it. Thats true test of whether its IE dependent or not.
I use Off By One on my old laptop with the first version of Win 95 - there is no dependency on IE (well it's not even installed!) and it is pretty stable. [/b][/quote]
Browser depend on Shdocvw.dll that again depend on MSHTML.dll. In other words: IE !

Some files this "small" browser need :
Shdocvw.dll 1,3mb
MSHTML.dll 2.8mb
msvbvm60.dll 1,3mb
:P

locustfurnace

02-10-2004, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Guest@Feb 10 2004, 06:28 PM
Browser depend on Shdocvw.dll that again depend on MSHTML.dll. In other words: IE !

Some files this "small" browser need :
Shdocvw.dll 1,3mb
MSHTML.dll 2.8mb
msvbvm60.dll 1,3mb
:P

If you are going to the foundation of things. And say that browser depends on 5megs of IE files, lets say, all browsers depend on the OS, so why not add the size of the OS to the total as well.
Any web browser that runs on Win95, would be dependant on 125megs+ of additional OS files. any browser on Win98 would depend on the 250megs+ of additional OS files. and so on.
As these web browsers can not yet run by themselves, so they are dependant on the underlying OS.
Since IE is already installed on all Windows Systems. Unless purposely removed, it is a waste of time to point out what they are dependant on.
What matters to most would be the size of the program when they go to download it.

The only webbrowser & OS that beats them all would most likely be the QNX DEMO disk, which has a desktop, graphical web browser, and everything; (the operating system & web browser, PPP, video drivers....) fits on a single 1.4meg floppy.

Guest

02-10-2004, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by locustfurnace+Feb 10 2004, 06:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (locustfurnace @ Feb 10 2004, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Guest@Feb 10 2004, 06:28 PM
Browser depend on Shdocvw.dll that again depend on MSHTML.dll. In other words: IE !

Some files this "small" browser need :
Shdocvw.dll 1,3mb
MSHTML.dll 2.8mb
msvbvm60.dll 1,3mb
:P

If you are going to the foundation of things. And say that browser depends on 5megs of IE files, lets say, all browsers depend on the OS, so why not add the size of the OS to the total as well.
Any web browser that runs on Win95, would be dependant on 125megs+ of additional OS files. any browser on Win98 would depend on the 250megs+ of additional OS files. and so on.
As these web browsers can not yet run by themselves, so they are dependant on the underlying OS.
Since IE is already installed on all Windows Systems. Unless purposely removed, it is a waste of time to point out what they are dependant on.
What matters to most would be the size of the program when they go to download it.

The only webbrowser & OS that beats them all would most likely be the QNX DEMO disk, which has a desktop, graphical web browser, and everything; (the operating system & web browser, PPP, video drivers....) fits on a single 1.4meg floppy. [/b][/quote]
It was just to state that this browser is just an IE wrapper.

Guest

03-06-2004, 09:08 AM

Avant Browser has all of the funtions that you requested. I like it very much.

guest_Tom

03-06-2004, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Guest+Feb 10 2004, 06:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guest @ Feb 10 2004, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -guest_tom@Nov 27 2003, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by -Guest@Nov 25 2003, 12:48 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Trewy@Nov 24 2003, 10:51 AM

i jini very small web browser! 66kb! supports tabbed browsing also.
http://www.ijini.batcave.net/

:o :o dats crazy!
Ijini took a bit more space to install on my old win95 computer. Had to install 526kb mscomctl.ocx and 50kb msstdfmt.dll. No documentation, but believe it is probably dependent on IE files being available. I've got an old version of win95 (pre95a)that didnt come with any version of IE. Not worth the effort to try this with it. Thats true test of whether its IE dependent or not.
I use Off By One on my old laptop with the first version of Win 95 - there is no dependency on IE (well it's not even installed!) and it is pretty stable.
Browser depend on Shdocvw.dll that again depend on MSHTML.dll. In other words: IE !

Some files this "small" browser need :
Shdocvw.dll 1,3mb
MSHTML.dll 2.8mb
msvbvm60.dll 1,3mb
:P [/b][/quote]
Well this was the first version of Windowes 95 fitted on this laptop whcih does not come with IE. I upgraded it from Win 3.11 which had no browser installed. So where did the files come from?

guest_Tom

03-06-2004, 04:49 PM

Shit my spelling is getting bad! I presume the files were part of windows 95. Anyone tried the new opera 7.5 beta yet? Even the ads are not obtrusive with this version for non-registered users. Pretty fast too. Giving Firefox a run for it's, erm, money on my machine at present!

Rufusdam

04-02-2004, 12:36 AM

Have read all the posts. Unfortunately, i'm not a certified computer pro (wouldn't have minded being a geek) so can you please tell me the fastest web browser. Adding the details of my pc if it helps.

CPU - AMD athlon 2200xp+ (I think the clock speed is 1.7Gh)
RAM - 128MB NVRAM (32 MB of this is used by the graphics on board)

Thanks,

Rufusdam

04-02-2004, 12:38 AM

Forgot to say that my OS is Windows 98 SE and that my present browser is IE6.

locustfurnace

04-02-2004, 05:26 AM

The only way you can determine what the fastest, would be for what you use it for. As I stated Lynx would be the fastest of any webrowser since it does not load graphics, but if You want graphics, it's speed does not much matter for you.
Test a few out yourself. Between the fastest web browsers, there is not much difference, the difference would only be measureable on a graphed scale and most likely, not visible to your eyes.
Try Firefox, Opera, Slimbrowser, Mozilla
I've already made a listing in this post; http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?a...&st=0#entry6229 (http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=1491&st=0#entry6229), so check those out and try a few.
I used to use Firebird, now named Firefox, which is fast, but some of the features I did not like, So now I run Slimbrowser under Windows.

Remember also, that no matter how fast a web browser is, it's speed means nothing if your on a super slow connection.

BunkFace

04-09-2004, 07:14 AM

In reply to post no. 1:

I highly recommend Opera (http://www.opera.com). It's the fastest browser I've ever tried. Pop-up ad blocking, Google search, very stable, tabbed browsing, doesn't eat too much-resources, ass-kicking browser, I've tried them all, IE, Netscape, Firefox, MyIE2, and Opera is still the best.

chester_ting

06-26-2004, 01:24 AM

The Dude is right!!

MyIE2 is the best!!!!

http://www.myie2.com/html_en/home.htm

Its free and has the best features!

paragonoftrack

07-08-2004, 12:30 AM

you want the best of the best eh? well then slimbrowser is the way to go ive tried all the browsers mentioned and i have to say that slimbrowser rocks my world i wub it so much just download it you wont use another browser ever !!!

http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/

locustfurnace

07-08-2004, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by paragonoftrack@Jul 8 2004, 12:30 AM
you want the best of the best eh? well then slimbrowser is the way to go ive tried all the browsers mentioned and i have to say that slimbrowser rocks my world i wub it so much just download it you wont use another browser ever !!!

http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/
I've already posted recommendations for Slimbrowser. It's constantly bug fixed, almost daily.
But, it only has 1 advantage so far over Konqueror, the double click to close the tabs.
Konqueror still beats out all others by a long shot, with the IO:Slaves when used as a file manager. Nothing else comes close (maybe Nautilus?). Try running your Cd Recording software from within your web browser, Konqueror does this! IO:Slaves that auto generate HTML image galleries. File Renaming IO:slave, the ability to play any media, mp3, oggs, mpegs... Built-in Support for CVS. Built-in HTML, CSS validators..
Slimbrowser is catching up. But Konqueror is not standing still either.

Punk-In-General

07-08-2004, 03:08 AM

MyIE2 is now Maxthon! And it is the best!!!!

A new build is avaliable nearly every month and it rocks! No other bowser like this!!!

Long live Maxthon!!!! (MyIE2)

http://www.maxthon.com/en/index.htm

Version 1.0.0168 is the latest!

locustfurnace

07-08-2004, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Punk-In-General@Jul 8 2004, 03:08 AM
MyIE2 is now Maxthon! And it is the best!!!!

A new build is avaliable nearly every month and it rocks! No other bowser like this!!!
Your link does not appear to work.
You dont read entire threads do you?
If you did, you have read that MyIE2 is using the developement toolkit from Slimbrowser. Just as FireFox is using Mozilla... This then nulls the statement that no other browser is like this, cause there are a few who use the Slimbrowser SDK.
I'll repeated my statement, if you have never used Konqueror, then you can't claim another browser to be better of the lot.
Galeon was a good browser once, but they removed some of the good functions and changed some of the basic commands which seems to no longer work, such as Ctrl+U to erase the address bar.
An Lynx & Links are still the fastest.

Punk-In-General

07-08-2004, 07:34 PM

Jeez man,

Its not like im going to download and test every browser out there and come back to you on it. Its just my personal opinion, i think its the best, because it is (my opinion) You dont have to correct everyone.

and sorry about the link, it works on mine.

You dont read entire threads do you?

Im sorry i didnt know you had to read every comment to get an opinion

If you did, you have read that MyIE2 is using the developement toolkit from Slimbrowser.

I dont even know what slimbrowser is.

Guest

07-08-2004, 07:38 PM

and sorry about the link, it works on mine.

The website is currently down. I guess they must be doing the new forum because its up now.

locustfurnace

07-09-2004, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Punk-In-General@Jul 8 2004, 07:34 PM
Its not like im going to download and test every browser out there and come back to you on it. Its just my personal opinion, i think its the best, because it is (my opinion) You dont have to correct everyone.

and sorry about the link, it works on mine.

I dont even know what slimbrowser is.
Don't take it personal.

Guest

07-09-2004, 01:54 AM

Don't take it personal.

agreed :blink:

Guest

07-09-2004, 05:59 PM

The main reason to switch from IE and maybe uninstall it would sure be cuz of the many security-problems there are with it.

The browsers that depends on IE being installed is just as bad cuz of the fact its just a wrapper for IE and not per se a real browser, I reckon.
I use K-Meleon and Mozilla Firefox and K-meleon is somewhat faster and it is so light it gives the users of old computers the possibility to use it with joy, which is a good thing these days when all appz for the Windows OS (not Linux BEOS etc.) is getting bigger and bigger with endless bloat and its often stated by software developers that "your computer is too slow and thats why the app is so sluggish" , but in fact it is often the app that is too slow and bloated.. ;)
For example many times they dont even care to release a release-build but releases a debug-build with much more bloat..M$ for example... ;)

It is like saying (and Ive really read this somewhere) : "XPee is as fast as other OS, you only need to get a more powerfull puter"

Isnt that funny.. :lol:

Anyways, if you move to a standalone browser which in no way is depending on IE-engine, are you then safe..?

Noop....
Contrary to what many ppl seems to think; many of the security holes that is been discovered all the time affect all puters where IE is installed even if you dont use it , M$ says themselves.
So then ya really has to uninstall it which is as ya probably know nearly impossible to do under 2000/XPee, but only nearly...

Tip: Get XPLite/2000Lite from http://www.litepc.com and with that little standalone app you can easily uninstall and reinstall features ya dont want,use or like, for example: Outlook Express, IE, WMI,WMP,DirectX,NetMeeting,the small games that comes as default,MS Agent,Extra fonts, many;many other OS features that takes up resources and which ya may not ever use. :)
I worx like a Add/Remove applet and ya cant turn on and turn off File Protection so ya can remove things and if something goes wrong ya can just as easy reinstall it with the use of the installation disc.. :)
It uses the same technique as Windows does when ya add and removes system components but it lets you remove the things M$ Windows wont let ya remove, like IE then.. :D

I use my puter for programming,playing games and internet activity and I had 99 components installed and I removed 93 of them which were of no use, leaving core fonts (one really dont wants to remove that) DirectX, Driver Cache (for easier installing new system components without needing the CD) and some.. :)
Everything worx just gr8 and Ive saved a lot of disk-space and the registry too is lean and mean.. he..he..

My OS-partition is 929 mb minus pagefile of 512 = 417mb.. (8

Just a little tip to get rid of IE for good and to enjoy a more stable,fast and secure system.. :D

I too use Linux some and I use Mozilla on that but Im thinking of switching...

See ya..! :D

WarLord

07-09-2004, 06:02 PM

...and it was me WarLord who wrote the above but forgot to name it.. ;)

Thinking of registering here now in fact.. :)

Take care..! :D

guest_Brian

08-05-2004, 07:40 PM

FireFox - The Best
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

Has the functionality of Netscape and Internet Explorer put together, but its lighter than each of them - Only 4 megabytes. it has a Searchable History Folder, autocomplete, bookmarks . Configurable plugins, totally skinnable (ability to change the look), saves passwords, and usernames for different websites, comes with a google search bar that can be disabled. a bookmark tab bar that can be hidden. It comes with a popup blocker. The pop up allows sites of your choice to pop up windows. It doesn't go crazy with javascipt errors like netscape does. it handles any netscape plugin that internet explorer couldn't. and any ie plugin that netscape can't. you can add or remove enhansements and skins and keep the ones you want. this browser was recommended to me last week and i am very happy with it. And best of all - It's entirely free. i recommend that Oldversion.com supports this software it's the best browser ive ever tried. Both Netscape and IE have given me problems in the past. Firefox hasn't. Give it a try. it's a great program.

TheBulbasaurfreak

08-07-2004, 12:20 PM

I agree; Mozila FireFox is more secure and better than Internet Explorer.

chester_ting

08-08-2004, 05:20 AM

I reccoment Maxthon :)
It has all the features I want in a browser..

http://www.maxthon.com/en/index.htm

PhpPika

08-15-2004, 03:18 PM

I like Firefox, it's the best and all of you Maxathon users, you can still get spyware/virues or some malware with that

hildred241

08-16-2004, 02:57 AM

Mozilla Firefox is the best browser I've ever used! The Firefox homepage, here. (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/) It comes wiith tabbed browsing, a popup blobker, a cool small search box, which you can add engines to (it automatically has Google) and is much faster than IE.

Check it out people.

The only problem:

Some stupid sites are designed to work only in IE (eg: Windows Update) :(

But it's a good browser still, give it a try.

hildred241

08-16-2004, 07:10 AM

No way to compare Internet Explorer with any other browser.

Yeah right. I'm sorry, but the only reason you probbably know about IE is 'cos it comes with Windows. It doesn't have any features, no pop up blocker, no tabbed browsing. OK, they're brnging popup blocker and tabs in SP2, but only to draw level with the market!

Firefox rocks. Fast. Customizable. Popup[ blocker. Tabbed browsing. And a perfectly formed small convinient search bar, whichg enbgines can be added to, autmaticallly comes with google.

08-16-2004, 11:07 AM

I ONLY use Netscape and I have never had a site that wouldnt work for me, but if I did, it would be a site that I did NOT visit!!!!!
(NS and Mozilla are quite similar)

Guest

08-16-2004, 05:47 PM

I spoof my UA if I can't visit the site ^_^

locustfurnace

09-24-2004, 01:23 PM

Mozilla Firefox 1.0PR released. (1 million downloads in 4 days)
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/re...eases/0.10.html (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/0.10.html)

You can now open blocked popups, and the Extension install system now blocks all attempts to install software from sites other than update.mozilla.org. Users can add other sites to a list that allows them to offer software, but software is never automatically installed. In addition to these steps, several other measures have been taken to prevent phishing attacks and to highlight when a page is being viewed over a secure connection.

This should help reduce spyware's impact.

Illegal Concepts

10-14-2004, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by hildred241@Aug 16 2004, 07:10 AM

No way to compare Internet Explorer with any other browser.

Yeah right. I'm sorry, but the only reason you probbably know about IE is 'cos it comes with Windows. It doesn't have any features, no pop up blocker, no tabbed browsing. OK, they're brnging popup blocker and tabs in SP2, but only to draw level with the market!

Firefox rocks. Fast. Customizable. Popup[ blocker. Tabbed browsing. And a perfectly formed small convinient search bar, whichg enbgines can be added to, autmaticallly comes with google.
Agreed, I just can't belive that IE didn't have Tabs for the longest time! tabs in web browsers are wonderful!!!

The only time I used IE is for Windows Update, I usually surf the net with Netscape, and I love how Firefox has one option to delete the cache, cookies, user names and passwords.

I like Opera, a FAST browser for the older systems.. ;)

Spring Rubber

10-19-2004, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by guest_Brian@Aug 5 2004, 07:40 PM
FireFox - The Best
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

Has the functionality of Netscape and Internet Explorer put together, but its lighter than each of them - Only 4 megabytes. it has a Searchable History Folder, autocomplete, bookmarks . Configurable plugins, totally skinnable (ability to change the look), saves passwords, and usernames for different websites, comes with a google search bar that can be disabled. a bookmark tab bar that can be hidden. It comes with a popup blocker. The pop up allows sites of your choice to pop up windows. It doesn't go crazy with javascipt errors like netscape does. it handles any netscape plugin that internet explorer couldn't. and any ie plugin that netscape can't. you can add or remove enhansements and skins and keep the ones you want. this browser was recommended to me last week and i am very happy with it. And best of all - It's entirely free. i recommend that Oldversion.com supports this software it's the best browser ive ever tried. Both Netscape and IE have given me problems in the past. Firefox hasn't. Give it a try. it's a great program.
Actually OldVersion.com needn't support FireFox, as you can get any old version of it at ftp.mozilla.org (http://ftp.mozilla.org) and if it gets any older, it will then move to archive.mozilla.org (http://archive.mozilla.org).

That's one thing I like about Mozilla's open source status, you can get any build of any program they make right from their FTP servers/mirrors.

NeonLightning

12-01-2004, 04:47 PM

i personally use Firefox(firebird's newest version) and if that doesn't work(my dad has a totally fried computer) i use Links witch is a hack of Lynx and it should just be a upgrade as far as most of the other ones listed here they are mostly based of IE so if you don't like IE don't use them konq is good and all but kinda buggy at times same goes for galleon

locustfurnace

12-09-2004, 05:48 PM

http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/KDE-Ko...01_Story01.html (http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/KDE-Konqueror-Web-browser-01_Story01.html)
MozillaQuest has award Konqueror the Editors Choice Award over Mozilla's Firefox.

The recent release of the Mozilla Organization's Firefox browser has sparked interest in alternatives to:
( a ) Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE) browser,
( b ) AOL's Netscape browser, and
( c ) the Mozilla Organization's own Mozilla browser.

However, our favorite browser is KDE's Konqueror Web-browser and file-manager.

Interestingly, Konqueror in some ways might be more customizable than the Firefox, Mozilla, or Netscape browsers.

The KDE Konqueror browser seems to take less memory than do the Firefox, Mozilla, and Netscape browsers. Konqueror seems faster too. Moreover, Konqueror has a very good, open source, rendering engine. In our opinion, Konqueror is more efficient than the Firefox, Mozilla, and Netscape browsers.