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igor
12-07-2003, 03:45 PM
Kazaa Lite K++ project was shut down by Sharman Networks today.

Story:
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/07/1540...?tid=153&tid=99 (http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/07/1540251.shtml?tid=153&tid=99)
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto...o/12052003h.php (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/12052003h.php)

-igor

The Dude
12-10-2003, 12:13 AM
I think people should stay away from kazaa,i mean with the RIAA all over it.

I hear that KAZAA LITE is much safer,im so glad we have that s/w still available here!!! (I dunno if i would try it though)

This site rocks!!

The Dude :)

riaa sucks
12-10-2003, 04:35 PM
why should people stay away by staying away the riaa is winning and a way to get around the riaa is to set a computer up in ur car and get a wireless adapter for it and hook up to othere peoples internet heheh

detn8r
12-10-2003, 06:05 PM
whats the best alt. to kazaalite now that its gone?

locustfurnace
12-10-2003, 06:36 PM
You can check into these alternatives;
http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?a...=1530&hl=mobius (http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=1530&hl=mobius)

the gaffer
12-10-2003, 08:55 PM
:blink: hiya folks, you lost me a little here, kazaa lite is still working? been using it today, can you tell me what i seem to be missing, surely if its been closed down it would no longer work

Guest
12-10-2003, 10:31 PM
Yes Kazaa LITE still works,however you cant d/l it anymore (Except from here)

The Dude :)

gengar56
12-12-2003, 10:31 PM
Kazaa Lite is not shut down. It's impossible for it to be. The 'K++ project' may have been stopped. But the network is peer-to-peer; as long as someone is using it, it exists.

Goslow unplugged
12-13-2003, 05:24 AM
You could put Kazaa Media Desktop 2.60 on a diet if you like skinning cats. ;) (no offense Mosky)
http://www.dietk.com/
Cleaning up adware, one happy user at a time.
----------------------------
BIG
BLUE If you don't like those kinds of thrills wait until the software is "out of" beta.

SH
12-13-2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by gengar56@Dec 12 2003, 10:31 PM
Kazaa Lite is not shut down. It's impossible for it to be. The 'K++ project' may have been stopped. But the network is peer-to-peer; as long as someone is using it, it exists. From Google: http://www.k-lite.tk/
:o <_< That is a ripp of of the real klite site , we must to pay for that, why should i pay for something that i can get for free? http://promobox.searchpixie.com/downloads.htm

Guest
12-13-2003, 01:56 PM
Sorry for this but since i&#39;m not registered i can&#39;t edit my post.The development of K-Lite is not really stopped, :D just take a look here for the last updates : http://kppdate.kickme.to/

gengar56
12-13-2003, 07:40 PM
Wow, I didn&#39;t realize they started charging &#036; for Kazaa Lite. What a ripoff. Awhile ago I had downloaded klite from them (free).

I have it on my computer, though, if it is ever needed.
I&#39;ve heard that WinMX, eMule, or BitTorrent are better alternatives anyway.

LKS_007
12-13-2003, 08:43 PM
Yes it is shocking. But remember, it shouldn&#39;t be a complete surprise. Common sense tells us that a network that large and free would have to be cracked some day. Thats why I made sure I got it when i did. :ph34r:

jantje
12-16-2003, 04:33 PM
Let it be a lesson. Always save every version of every programm to a cd. You might want to use it in the future. :rolleyes:

I do have a walk-in closet. Not for clothes. And believe me, a lot of cd&#39;s can be stored in a walk-in closet. :D

Marius
12-19-2003, 02:50 AM
Sorry, but kazaa lite doesn&#39;t work anymore. It works a little bit, but its functionality declines everyday. Why? Because supernodes hosted by kazaa version 2.6 users automatically deny access to kazaa lite users.

That is why sharman went to the trouble of shutting down the klite project. Now no workaround can be made to avoid this klite lockout.

You may be wondering how you got to download a song with klite the other day if what i said is true. Well, that is because not all of the kazaa supernodes and kazaa users are using kazaa 2.6, so it is still possible to find some supernodes in order to find somebody to get a song from, especially when many people may have the song.

However, if you are a klite user who is trying to get large, uncommon files through klite (like me, trying to download anime), it totally doesn&#39;t work. Things never download. Klite will find sources for me, but they can never connect. If they do, it is at very low bitrates.

So what is a klite user to do? Well, kazaa 2.6 and DietK work very well, eliminating or deactivating all of kazaa&#39;s spyware. Dietk basically turns kazaa 2.6 into a new klite. Now that i switched to kazaa and dietk, i find many more anime files and they download alot faster.

I wish i could still use klite, but all good things must come to an end.

Guest
01-05-2004, 08:26 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOO I was wondering why my animes were downloadiung so slow. where can i get DietK? can someone tell me? AHhh i adored Klite so much, but now sharman network had tos hut it down (the bastards). K-lite was so useful, and had all the utilities.

oh well, we must move on. (to DietK) :D

$alopette
01-06-2004, 02:45 PM
Kazaa Lite hasn&#39;t shut down&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; It&#39;s still fully running. And there is eaven a new realese Kazaa Lite 2.6 (Clean KMD).
This realese ment to be a clean version of KMD 2.6, a lot of disturbing things have been deleted, like:

Removed Spyware
Removed Gain
Removed Bullguard
Removed Altnet
Removed P2P Networking
Removed Channels
Removed Ads of Kazaa Plus, other ads (BetAndWin ecc...)
Removed Unuseless links (Shop, tell a friend about Kazaa ecc...)
Added Unlimited Search More
Added Unlimited Search Tabs
Instead of 900 Mb it&#39;s only 5 Mb

I google you can&#39;t get any results, so please ask OldVersion.com to submit the new version of Kazaa Lite eaven if it&#39;s not an old one.
Please help me doing it because if only I ask OldVersion maby they will not put it, so let&#39;s ask it all together like that we will help Kazaa Lite living.
Thanks :)

Drumbo
01-09-2004, 04:07 AM
i too have noticed problems with it. i had an old version, but wanted k++&#39;s advantage of the 1000 participation. so i got k++ off kazaa. i noticed that it did slow down on this version. but today i got a 240mb or so file, in a about 4 or 5 hours on a 128k modem from New Zealand.

TheBulbasaurfreak
01-10-2004, 12:37 PM
Kazaa Lite is not shut down, the developers can&#39;t make new versions of it.

the observer
01-11-2004, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by TheBulbasaurfreak@Jan 10 2004, 12:37 PM
Kazaa Lite is not shut down, the developers can&#39;t make new versions of it.
this had already been stated at the start of this post please read before you post a worthless repeat,

Lauren
01-11-2004, 06:30 PM
ya... well WinMX is good.. thats what i use.. and its free&#33;&#33;&#33; ;).. but i dont know really anything about computers so dont ask me.. i only know stuff if i can try it out..

Richard
01-13-2004, 01:59 AM
Kazaa Lite should work fine. And I do not think there is an easy way for them to figure out you&#39;re using Kazaa Lite unless you have your username setup as kazaalite.tk or something like that. Though it is hard nowadays to download anything off Kazaa since everyone is afraid to use it. This is just ridiculous... anyone who thinks their front door is going to be kicked down because they&#39;re sharing a few songs or videos online is a paranoid freak.

Marius
01-15-2004, 08:45 AM
You can say it works fine, but it really doesn&#39;t. Kazaa lite is dead. Clean KMD is not really kazaa lite. You can either keep using kazaa lite, getting really slow downloads and not even seeing half the available files, or you can acknowlege the truth and try kazaa and dietk, or some other new combination like that.

Of course, since you are still getting some files with klite, you think it works perfectly. It doesn&#39;t but you will have to try dietk and kazaa 2.6 in order to see just how poorly klite is performing.

TheBulbasaurfreak
01-15-2004, 01:35 PM
Use WinMX. free, reliable. :D

the gaffer
01-15-2004, 05:12 PM
kazaalite will work for a considerable time yet although it will slowly get harder to find any good files and downloading times are slowly rising, if you havent tried it yet as previously stated give winmx a go i found it much better then any kazaa and good download times as well,

TheBulbasaurfreak
01-17-2004, 07:50 AM
Except for the long queues...............

the gaffer
01-17-2004, 09:13 AM
there is of course queues, however i have not had any problems with virus files on winmx but have had several on kazaa, not a problem if you keep up to date with antivirus programs , but certain times of the day make a big difference as well, late in the day gives better results for me,

Evan
01-31-2004, 10:56 PM
hmm my kazaalite still works?

Guest
02-05-2004, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Evan@Jan 31 2004, 10:56 PM
hmm my kazaalite still works?
and if you had actually read any of this post you&#39;d know why

guest_Pete
02-14-2004, 12:06 AM
Kazaa Lite does NOT charge for downloads. There was just some guy who ripped the k-lite.tk domain from the real owner and now they offer a paid version.

Don&#39;t fall for this scam &#33;

The old site has stopped to develop KLite ( http://www.klitesite.com ) but as you can see their community is still up http://www.filesharingtalk.com/index.php

Never pay for KLite cause it&#39;s free &#33;

Pete

marshmills
02-14-2004, 09:19 AM
:huh: very confused have been downloading from kazaa lite this morning without any problems. music txt and a couple of films.

pun
02-14-2004, 09:29 AM
With the offices and homes of the Kazaa owners raided on Feb 6, 2004. the Copyright officers could be monitoring your downloads right now.

http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5154506.ht...ml?tag=nefd_top (http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5154506.html?tag=nefd_top)

Even though they say "This is not about individuals; this is about the big fish," Where do they set the Big Fish limit at? 10 songs? 100? 1000? 10,000? What about those downloading software?

Think hard before using the K family of p2p. Do cops really let what they concider illegal activity to continue unless they are setting up a sting to bust even more people? Do you want your IP/name added to the list?

Your call people, use it and run the risk? Or find another way of downloading your songs? Use a little common sense and good luck if you continue to download as the next download might bump you into the Big Fish pond.

locustfurnace
02-14-2004, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by pun@Feb 14 2004, 09:29 AM
Or find another way of downloading your songs?
Your could even try to do something people have forgotten all about, one sure way to remain legal & obtain all the songs you want - go out and buy the CD.

pun
02-14-2004, 12:26 PM
I agree locustfurnace. How long will it be before the use of all p2p software becomes illegal if all it seems to be mainly used for is trading Copyrighted material?

Buy and enjoy without worrying that the next knock on your door will be the boys in blue with a search warrent to seaze your computer and all your CDs.

I&#39;ve tryed to let people on here know the risk they run but I&#39;m not Jimmy the Cricket so do as you like but to any who do get that little knock remember

YOU WAS WARNED&#33;

KAZAA IS DEAD IT JUST HASN&#39;T LAID DOWN YET.

And so ends my last attempt to warn the users of OV about Kazaa.

Salopette
02-14-2004, 12:46 PM
I am still using Kazaa, but I would like to use a program that&#39;s a "Club Privé", but I don&#39;t know how to use it, it&#39;s too complicated.
It&#39;s all about sharing Ftp files and It&#39;s rare that a man in blue sues you with this program.
Here&#39;s the official site, give it a try, and if you understand it tell me how to use it:

http://www.dyndns.org

the observer
02-14-2004, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Salopette@Feb 14 2004, 12:46 PM
I am still using Kazaa, but I would like to use a program that&#39;s a "Club Privé", but I don&#39;t know how to use it, it&#39;s too complicated.
It&#39;s all about sharing Ftp files and It&#39;s rare that a man in blue sues you with this program.
Here&#39;s the official site, give it a try, and if you understand it tell me how to use it:

http://www.dyndns.org
rare but does happen or rare because you havent heard much of it happening, , PUN has stated the out come of what can happen, is this a plea for advice and help or is this just another way of bringing kazaa back to the top of the list as you have done so many times already.. perhaps the boys in blue may silence you one of these days and we would no longer have to put up with this subject.

Guest
02-14-2004, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Richard@Jan 13 2004, 01:59 AM
This is just ridiculous... anyone who thinks their front door is going to be kicked down because they&#39;re sharing a few songs or videos online is a paranoid freak.
Some of us are careful and use dc++

When you have enough to b sued into bancruptcy for my 3000+ songs and 500 odd videos and tv shows. Using Kazaa is a bad call in general. You get what you deserve for using such an open network.


And by the way, moderator, www.slashdot.org -is not- a news site. Don&#39;t refrence it as such. It is a site discussing news that affects geeks and such, but it is in no way an actual news outlet.

Guest
02-14-2004, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by pun@Feb 14 2004, 12:26 PM
I agree locustfurnace. How long will it be before the use of all p2p software becomes illegal if all it seems to be mainly used for is trading Copyrighted material?
Uh... you&#39;ll always be able to use that software. Learn a thing or two about the law. You&#39;re in the clear as the laws currently stand if you don&#39;t share files. So... a hint.

pun
02-14-2004, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Guest@Feb 14 2004, 02:35 PM
Uh... you&#39;ll always be able to use that software. Learn a thing or two about the law. You&#39;re in the clear as the laws currently stand if you don&#39;t share files. So... a hint.
I know I say it was my final post BUT time for you to learn something about the law. Igorance is no excuse. You say don&#39;t "share" files. In some areas sharing refers to the uploading OR downloading of Copyright materal. But if I go by your logic then the downloading is OK.

Another news flash, laws change everyday.

A law today could be changed by midnight tonight. By 12:01 they could be gathering evidence. By 9 am they could get a search warrent. By 9:15 they could be at your house.


This is just ridiculous... anyone who thinks their front door is going to be kicked down because they&#39;re sharing a few songs or videos online is a paranoid freak.

Tell that to the single mother on welfare I heard about on the news who was fined &#036;5000 for allowing her kids to download "a few songs"


Some of us are careful and use dc++

When you have enough to b sued into bancruptcy for my 3000+ songs and 500 odd videos and tv shows. Using Kazaa is a bad call in general. You get what you deserve for using such an open network.

But the dime store lawyers know best. Everyone thinks they have a smarter way to break the law.

NEWSFLASH: Big Brother is a reality NOT a paranoid delusion.

locustfurnace
02-14-2004, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Guest+Feb 14 2004, 02:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guest @ Feb 14 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Uh... you&#39;ll always be able to use that software. Learn a thing or two about the law.* You&#39;re in the clear as the laws currently stand if you don&#39;t share files.* So... a hint. [/b]
Your not in the clear if your downloading copyrighted works. Check the laws yourself before you decide to inform others. Consider this, you did not steal the car you merely were in possesion of the stolen vehicle.
You dont have to be sharing the files, just downloading them you can be held accountable, since you did not pay for those songs/files.

Right now they are seeking out those who host/share files, since they are the most visible, once they clear that up, i am sure it wont be long before they spend more effort pursuing those who are downloading copyrighted files.

Is it possible for p2p app&#39;s to become illegal? YES it is. at the present time, cracks, and keygens are illegal to merely be in possesion of. also any program which can crack encrypted works is viewed under the DMCA to be illegal. This is why many DVD coping software titles are illegal. this is why DeCSS is illegal.

<!--QuoteBegin--Richard@Jan 13 2004, 01:59 AM

And by the way, moderator, www.slashdot.org -is not- a news site.* Don&#39;t refrence it as such.* It is a site discussing news that affects geeks and such, but it is in* no way an actual news outlet.[/quote]

And NEWSGROUPS are not really covering news, but for some reason they are still referred to as NEWSGROUPS.
News is news, not matter what the outlet is.

Just Another Idiot
02-15-2004, 09:39 PM
If you really want to use Kazaa, try using PeerGuardian.

http://www.methlabs.org/methlabs.htm

It blocks the list of known IP&#39;s that the RIAA and others use to bust file sharers.

locustfurnace
02-15-2004, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by Just Another Idiot@Feb 15 2004, 09:39 PM
It blocks the list of known IP&#39;s that the RIAA and others use to bust file sharers.
As stated in another thread, blocking only known IP address of the RIAA corporation, does not mean members of the RIAA, BMG, ASCAP will not take their work home - which means they will be using their own home computers, and those IP address are unknown to these applications.
If those members are on a dial-up service, the IP address they used today to search kazaa, wont be the same one they will be using tomorrow.

That is giving false security, and wrong to say your "safe", as that single variable can change.

Salopette
02-16-2004, 10:24 AM
Hey guys.... You are all out of topic, this topic talks about the "Kazaa Lite Shut Down" (that doesn&#39;t exist).
So if you want to say to people not to use Kazaa, well create a topic and put in there all your information.

locustfurnace
02-16-2004, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Salopette@Feb 16 2004, 10:24 AM
Hey guys.... You are all out of topic,
Don&#39;t tell me I am off topic and don&#39;t inform me how to moderate this board either. Your just posting this; again, so that you can keep this kazaa thread alive. as you don&#39;t contribute nothing else to this board, except redundant kazaa information.

roscowhitby2003
02-17-2004, 01:44 AM
I absolutely love kazaa lite. I reinstalled Windows and I was freaking out because I couldn&#39;t find it on the internet without paying. I tried to transfer it from my roommates computer and it didn&#39;t work, it sucked. THANK GOD FOR THIS SITE. Keep this up as long as you can. I can&#39;t thank you enough.

Just Another Idiot
02-17-2004, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by locustfurnace@Feb 15 2004, 10:44 PM
As stated in another thread, blocking only known IP address of the RIAA corporation, does not mean members of the RIAA, BMG, ASCAP will not take their work home - which means they will be using their own home computers, and those IP address are unknown to these applications.
If those members are on a dial-up service, the IP address they used today to search kazaa, wont be the same one they will be using tomorrow.

That is giving false security, and wrong to say your "safe", as that single variable can change.
You&#39;re absolutely correct&#33; But it&#39;s nice to know that someone is keeping an eye on the people who are watching others. I installed this on my home web server which in on my DSL line. I have a program called andromeda which is like a jukebox for sharing and listening to music. Although I keep the URL as secret as possible, I do feel a little comfort knowing that known IP addresses of companies that use automated tools looking for any mp3 file is being blocked. As you mention, I wouldn&#39;t suggest that anyone put their faith in any tool like this. If you&#39;re dead set on sharing files, use a secure program like waste.

Guest
02-23-2004, 12:46 AM
Something else to add to that reply is this. The RIAA, ASCAP, BMP, etc are to cheap to pay their employees to GO HOME and work&#33; There are laws about that too. Since it is not at the location of the business who&#39;s trying to stop it, these employees doing from home are guilty of sharing files.

Everybody has their own opinion. WE ALL need to respect that and stop being little cry babies about it. What is the point of arguing here? Some of us believe in God, some of us don&#39;t. Those of us who don&#39;t won&#39;t go knocking on your door trying to get you to disbelieve in God and those of us who do believe need to STOP knocking on everyones doors trying to get them to believe&#33;

It&#39;s the same fight no matter what the subject is. Come on people&#33; Get real here&#33; The internet is for sharing information. Information comes in many forms. It&#39;s all about sharing. Whether we have to pay for it or not it&#39;s still about sharing. I believe that Kazaa Lite was excellent&#33; I believe they were right in giving users the ability to access what they wanted just as it should be. Instead of sitting here and crying about whether or not it should be legalized, GET UP AND VOTE&#33;

Those of you who believe in it should stand up and tell your state representatives you want the money hungry music industry stopped from suing people.

Those of you who believe it should be stopped, you can do the same. In the end it&#39;s still about the same damn thing&#33;

This is a country built on FREEDOM&#33; We have the right to stand up or sit down but those of you who sit down and refuse to fight will help no cause but your enemies.

We all have rights to believe in what we want. This is a forum people... not a damn boxing ring&#33; We can discuss the issues and not cry about them.

I&#39;m just a guy who feels strongly about certain things and I will stand up against the RIAA&#33; What are they going to do to me? Take away my Birthday???

locustfurnace
02-23-2004, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by Guest+Feb 23 2004, 12:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guest @ Feb 23 2004, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The RIAA, ASCAP, BMP, etc are to cheap to pay their employees to GO HOME and work&#33;* There are laws about that too.* Since it is not at the location of the business who&#39;s trying to stop it, these employees doing from home are guilty of sharing files.[/b]
Those corporations do not have to PAY their employees to go home and search, you have to remember that any copyright holder who uses these copyright houses to protect their work, can, from their own home, look for copyright infringement. If i write a song; as a songwriter, i have every right to protect my copyrighted works. And from home, i can look and see if my works are being passed around, and either i can contact these house and inform them of infringement, since this is what i pay them for.
So it does not have to be the RIAA who searches, it can be any number of copyright holders. Perfect example with Napster was the members of the heavy metal band who did the searching on their own.
The employees searching from home, are not sharing files, they are searching for files.

Copyright Law of the United States of America and Related Laws Contained in Title 17 of the United States Code
Chapter 10
Subchapter D Prohibition on Certain Infringement Actions, Remedies, and Arbitration.
§ 1009. Civil remedies
a) Civil Actions.* Any interested copyright party injured by a violation of section 1002 or 1003 may bring a civil action in an appropriate United States district court against any person for such violation


Originally posted by -Guest@Feb 23 2004, 12:46 AM
Those of you who believe in it should stand up and tell your state representatives you want the money hungry music industry stopped from suing people.
The RIAA is doing nothing other than what the laws states, watch any movie and you will see a warning, that copying and reproducing these works can result in a &#036;250,000 fine or imprisonment, This is not the RIAA just suing people for no reason, the law is being enforced. Whether anyone likes it or not.


Originally posted by -Guest@Feb 23 2004, 12:46 AM
Information comes in many forms.* It&#39;s all about sharing.* Whether we have to pay for it or not it&#39;s still about sharing.* I believe that Kazaa Lite was excellent&#33;* I believe they were right in giving users the ability to access what they wanted just as it should be.* Instead of sitting here and crying about whether or not it should be legalized, GET UP AND VOTE&#33;
Voting really is not going to change the fact that the copyright holders/songwriters want to be paid. Sharing information does not give one the right to take possesion of something they do not legally have a right to. "Freedom of information Act" does not apply to novels, and musical compositions. As there does not exist a "Right to Know" what the latest song sounds like.

<!--QuoteBegin--Guest@Feb 23 2004, 12:46 AM
This is a country built on FREEDOM&#33;* We have the right to stand up or sit down but those of you who sit down and refuse to fight will help no cause but your enemies.[/quote] Right, just as the copyright holders have a right to protect their works and to make money on their product. Sitting down, and not figting does not mean your helping an enemy, if you yourself have works you wish to have protected, such as software, music, or novels, or any published works protected by a copyright. The person your helping by sitting and not arguing about the RIAA is yourself, your insuring that your works you spent time creating will remain a source of revenue for you.
Also note that not all members on this forum are from the USA. Freedom also gives people the options, or the Freedom to argue and to disagree.

http://www.copyright.gov/foia/

The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) which can be found in Title 5 of the United States Code, section 552, was enacted in 1966 and provides that any person has the right to request access to federal agency records or information. The federal FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) does not provide a right of access to records held by Congress, the courts, state or local government agencies, or by private businesses or individuals.


Personally i think the music should be made Freely available, as this can and would be a great way to generate revenue, As the music can be free on the net, and there will always be people who wish to buy the media; for the artwork, or to just have a copy in their collection. The Pressed CD&#39;s are much more durable than CD-r&#39;s too.
The more people are exposed to unknown acts, the more chances of them spending money to go to concerts, a big problem with concerts is that only the well known acts ever pull in the big crowds, due to the FREE coverage & promotion they receive over the air-waves, while the lesser known acts do not get this benefit. All radio stations receive their music for FREE.
The lesser known acts have to rely on word of mouth, so they draw less crowds to their shows.
If all music was free to pick through, more people might go to the concerts, since they know the artist&#39;s works now, otherwise they might see a band is playing at a house and not go, missing out as they are unaware of the bands style.
Concerts are a great souce of constant revenue as well. as each night, acts perform, drawing in bigger and bigger crowds and the ticket prices are skyrocketing.
While at concerts, people will have more money to spend on memorabilia; t-shirts, posters and what have you.

The music distribution face has to change, or will die. If no one buys music, the Record Companys will stop hiring newer acts, as they will not lessen their take home pay.
Songwriters/copyright holders do not make much money on pressed media either, it amounts to &#036;0.02 per work. So if a CD contains 16 songs. The copyright holder is paid &#036;0.32 per CD sold. For every 10,000 CD&#39;s sold, a songwriter/copyright holder earns &#036;3,200. Sometimes even the songwriter, artist has to repay back the studio and record company from their paychecks usually from an advance. If the artist is not the copyright holder, then their pay is different.

The best way to see a change in the way the Record House&#39;s do business is to STOP any an all forms of interaction with them, whch would require no buying/renting movies, watching tv, buying from the movies, tv, artist sponsors. Just giving up entertainment for a couple months, then the Record Houses would take notice. If people stop giving them money period. Then they will have to adapt. Which is usually how most industrys react. If people dont buy cars, they lower the prices, change the designs, give the people what they want.

roscowhitby2003
02-25-2004, 11:29 PM
if all the artist&#39;s did what they say they do which is sing for the love of singing, then they wouldnt feel obligated to receive 5 million dollars for f**king singing. by the way, how exactly does the RIAA get your individual IP address??? i you use k lite, they get your user name and track it??? i dont get it.

locustfurnace
02-25-2004, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by roscowhitby2003@Feb 25 2004, 11:29 PM
if all the artist&#39;s did what they say they do which is sing for the love of singing, then they wouldnt feel obligated to receive 5 million dollars for f**king singing. by the way, how exactly does the RIAA get your individual IP address??? i you use k lite, they get your user name and track it??? i dont get it.
Pop artist&#39;s don&#39;t account for the majority of musicians. When was the last time you went to see a concert in a club with less than 1,000 people. Or have you only been to the pop artists concerts with tens of thousands of people.
Some pop artists do receive millions, last time i heard of a female pop act had grossed &#036;90 million in sales, and their take home pay was &#036;2 million, the rest (&#036;80+ million dollars) went to the record labels, engineers, promo dept, press house, video production dept....etc.

A small minority of artist&#39;s earn millions of dollars, it is not the norm.
Also rem that songwriters and artist do always mean the same person, most of the pop acts do not write their songs; they are the performers, not the songwriters.

You leave a trail with your IP address anywhere you surf. Every single action you do on the net is traceable by your IP address.

freddyfitler
02-26-2004, 08:29 AM
@roscowhitby2003

Use an anonymous proxy (third party ip) ,Disabale all activeX, cookies and Javascript and never use your real ip when surfing kazaa, or any other sites for that matter if your worried about security. In "most" cases your real ip will be hidden. That is, If the proxy you are using is truly annoymous. You can use proxyjudges like this one hxxp://www.stilllistener.addr.com/checkpoint1/ to checkout your ip/proxy anonyminity details.

Guest
02-26-2004, 09:45 AM
Kazaa Begone- the sure safest way, not to get a subpoena servered on you

Guest 2
02-26-2004, 01:32 PM
The 3.8 million downloading right now seem to disagree with you ;-)

freddyfitler
02-26-2004, 02:25 PM
With respect Guest 1, or should i say fed up. Do you happen to work for the RIAA? The reason i say this is, Every post in regards to Kazaa is negative.
Like someone mentioned here earlier. The musicians do it for the love of the music.Even if they where paid &#036;0 dollars they would still record. Because at the end of the day everybody want&#39;s to be famous. Just look at American idol if you can stomach it.

the gaffer
02-26-2004, 02:59 PM
with all due respect freddyfitler, guest one does have a valid point, everyone has an opinion on different matters, i personally dont use p2p but then i have no need for such a program but im sure the younger generation think its great for cheap music, but nobody can deny the fact that people are being sued for using it. as far as you saying that they would still do it even if they were paid &#036;0 is total rubbish, maybe people want to be famous but im afraid they wont do it for nothing,would you want to be making something and have it copied and lose a large percentage of your income. I doubt it. youve got to admire them really if they received all their revenue and piracy was stopped they could perhaps retire ten years earlier. you can understand them wanting the riaa to stamp it out.

freddyfitler
02-26-2004, 04:48 PM
Gaffar, I&#39;m not talking about real work. I&#39;m talking about the music buisness. If you look in the top 40 from the last 10 years. How many of those sucked ---- or copped it in the arse from some slimy record producer to get to the top? If that&#39;s not selling your sole to be famous i don&#39;t know what is.

My point is if they would go as far as to suck ---- or cop in the ---- for the purpose of fame..Then yes i do believe they would sing for free to get their mugs on mtv. Which would you prefer?

No need to use language like this, if you want to talk and use obscenity, go somewhere else.

locustfurnace
02-26-2004, 04:58 PM
this has gone to long off-topic so its going to be closed now.