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ILUsiox
11-07-2002, 12:25 PM
HEy,

Is it possible to get Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.1 an/or 3.11 ?
Or isn't it 'cause of MS won't free those licences ???

Thanks in advantage

Egon Geerardyn

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OldVersion.com Admin
11-07-2002, 03:16 PM
Nope, it is not legal for us to distrbute them - but you will find some Windows 3.11 versions on eBay if you are interested in buying them.

t94xr
11-10-2002, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by ABlix@Nov 7 2002, 03:16 PM
Nope, it is not legal for us to distrbute them - but you will find some Windows 3.11 versions on eBay if you are interested in buying them.
It isnt legal?

Have you tried distributing them under the GNU Licence?

We had a case over here in New Zealand of a guy building 486s and selling them cheap for home use, and he was ripping DOS 6.22 & Windows 3.11 with them and a basic freeware Win311 word processor...
Well Microsoft NZ found out about this, and Microsoft USA, basically told the NZ branch to drop the case...

Due to the MAJOR lack of ease to run the internet, but basic email will still be available, it wasnt a major threat to market of Microsoft Windows. that and it was on the virge of selling Windows XP here in NZ.

Due to old age of DOS & Windows 3.11 below, they are all classed as, and are now distributed as &#39;Abandonware&#39;
Microsoft doesnt support DOS or Win311 below.
Microsoft doenst design programs for DOS and Win311 below

A system that runs DOS & Win311 is not a current threat to the future market of Windows. If u go to a shop requiring repairs to a Windows 3.11 machine, they will either try and convince you to buy one of their upgrade machines or tell you to get lost.

Here is a site, that will soon have all versions of windows (Win95 or higher not available)
**only windows 311 & dos 6.22 and other manufactures of OS and Enviroments**

t94xr
11-10-2002, 10:16 AM
Edited by Therese

OldVersion.com Admin
11-10-2002, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by t94xr+Nov 10 2002, 10:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (t94xr @ Nov 10 2002, 10:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--ABlix@Nov 7 2002, 03:16 PM
Nope, it is not legal for us to distrbute them - but you will find some Windows 3.11 versions on eBay if you are interested in buying them.
It isnt legal?

Have you tried distributing them under the GNU Licence?

We had a case over here in New Zealand of a guy building 486s and selling them cheap for home use, and he was ripping DOS 6.22 & Windows 3.11 with them and a basic freeware Win311 word processor...
Well Microsoft NZ found out about this, and Microsoft USA, basically told the NZ branch to drop the case...

Due to the MAJOR lack of ease to run the internet, but basic email will still be available, it wasnt a major threat to market of Microsoft Windows. that and it was on the virge of selling Windows XP here in NZ.

Due to old age of DOS & Windows 3.11 below, they are all classed as, and are now distributed as &#39;Abandonware&#39;
Microsoft doesnt support DOS or Win311 below.
Microsoft doenst design programs for DOS and Win311 below

A system that runs DOS & Win311 is not a current threat to the future market of Windows. If u go to a shop requiring repairs to a Windows 3.11 machine, they will either try and convince you to buy one of their upgrade machines or tell you to get lost.

Here is a site, that will soon have all versions of windows (Win95 or higher not available)
**only windows 311 & dos 6.22 and other manufactures of OS and Enviroments**[/b][/quote]
But do we really want to face any sort of legal threat from Microsoft? The copyrights for Windows 1.0 and 3.11 are still active, and whether or not Microsoft cares is not our concern. It is still not legal.

LeGen_nmo
11-10-2002, 01:45 PM
As previously mentioned Ebay will sell anything. Also, look for a Half Price Books in your area. they sell used software, books, music, etc. I&#39;ve seen dos, drdos, and windows 3.x.x there. Alos, old mac stuff. And don&#39;t forget to transfer the liscense when you buy a used copy ;) .

Though I think MS will say "You want to what? With that old peice of sh... HAHAHHAHAHA"

collie
12-04-2002, 09:32 PM
i can probably get w3.11

i&#39;d love a copy of 1 & 2 for nostalgia

crossy
12-05-2002, 04:49 PM
I need windows 3.1 NOW :D
I REALLY NEED YOUR HELP :)



Last edited by crossy at Dec 6 2002, 03:33 PM

Tom
12-05-2002, 09:59 PM
Try looking at this website, they have a lot of abandoned windows stuff, including operating systems:

http://www.doslife.0catch.com/stuff.htm

Note that you must have a valid license to legally use this software -- even though it is no longer supported by the companies.

SSS
12-05-2002, 10:39 PM
Yep, it is not legal for us to distribute Windows 3.1.(or any other versions.) How ever, as ABlix said, you can go to ebay and get Windows 3.1.




Last edited by SSS at Dec 5 2002, 10:42 PM

crossy
12-06-2002, 03:42 PM
I am all so looking for it so help and try to help find the sites for all of us :rolleyes:

SSS
12-06-2002, 05:08 PM
Did you read the above post? Go to ebay (http://www.ebay.com) and get it.



Edited by SSS. Forgot to put a link to ebay in case you didn&#39;t know the address.



Last edited by SSS at Dec 7 2002, 02:36 PM

SSS
12-06-2002, 05:09 PM
Or you could go to ebay and get it

aafuss
12-07-2002, 04:45 PM
SSS,Ablix,
[B]As Far as

aafuss
12-07-2002, 04:49 PM
SSS,Ablix,
[B]As Far as I know, it is not legal to sell Windows&reg; 3x in a auction (still protected by USA and overseas laws), unless you have applied for an downgrade license by writing , to Microsoft&reg; or by contacting the seller to trasnfer the Windows software license to you .[B] And I guess that goes for the same as MS-DOS&reg;.

SSS
12-07-2002, 06:06 PM
How do you know?

aafuss
12-07-2002, 09:31 PM
Again, it is legalk if the selleer will transfer their software license for 3..x-illegsl if they doin&#39;t-is this correct?

SSS
12-07-2002, 09:45 PM
But how do you know it is illegal?

wwwguide
12-08-2002, 07:57 AM
You can get old versions of windows here:

Edited by Therese

hasta

SSS
12-08-2002, 01:36 PM
It was a very nice site.:) But i wish there were bigger screen shots of of the versions though.

jjbbg
12-27-2002, 04:13 PM
I have Windows 3.1 on 6 floppies that I can put on a CD for you if that&#39;s any help.
Let me know.

jjbbg

Q
02-10-2003, 09:05 AM
Edited by Therese

OldVersion.com Admin
02-11-2003, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by SSS@Dec 7 2002, 09:45 PM
But how do you know it is illegal?
Dude, he knows it&#39;s legal because it still has a copyright. :rolleyes:

If you dont know otherwise, then just his advise and leave it there.

eli123ky
03-10-2003, 01:11 AM
I have several very old computers... specifically 1991-94. Some of these have windows 3.1 on them. However one these has had something dire done to the windows 3.1 operating system, and I need to know where I can find a copy of it. Either a download, or a place I can purchase it, if some company is actually making money off the sale of 3.1. <_<

-eli123ky@aol.com

Robert
03-12-2003, 12:33 AM
Get Kazaalite at kazaalite.com after installed
click on the top search then click on software
search for dos


Hope that help&#39;s

Robert

eli123ky
04-14-2003, 04:30 AM
I am in search of the ancient version of windows known to old timers as windows 3.1. I have asked people about it and they tell me the only place i&#39;ll find it is the grave yard. Help us people with the old computers and put windows 3.1 on the website. . . besides i need a copy of it for my old computers. :D

Lauri K
04-15-2003, 11:07 AM
Edited by ABlix.

Gentgeen
05-09-2003, 02:44 PM
It is illegal --

You can buy it from someone else, i.e. EBay. But it is illegal for me to copy my Win 3.1 Disks for others to use.

lightsup55
05-10-2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Gentgeen@May 9 2003, 02:44 PM
It is illegal --

You can buy it from someone else, i.e. EBay. But it is illegal for me to copy my Win 3.1 Disks for others to use.
Took the words right out of my mouth.

lightsup55
05-16-2003, 10:30 PM
Closed by lightsup55.

This is illegal. You will find it on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/)

tonydt0
05-19-2003, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by SSS@Dec 5 2002, 10:39 PM
Yep, it is not legal for us to distribute Windows 3.1.(or any other versions.) How ever, as ABlix said, you can go to ebay and get Windows 3.1.
what is this about Ebay ,,Ebay ,,Ebay
is that what everything is
you can even buy
John Bobitts ******** on Ebay to
see its not what they think it is.


Edited by peppycomputer :huh:

jordanspringer
06-02-2003, 07:04 PM
HOLY F** K&#33; DO YOU PEOPLE EVER READ POSTS? WINDOWS/DOS AND MANY MICROSOFT PRODUCTS HAVE PRODUCT LICENCES&#33;&#33; IF YOU COULD OR CAN BUY IT AT THE STORE, IT WILL NOT BE ON OLDVERSION.COM&#33; THAT IS WHY YOU CAN DOWNLOAD MICROSOFT&#39;S MSN MESSENGER, BECAUSE IT IS FREE&#33; PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE POSTS, AND HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE&#33;

Therese
06-02-2003, 07:18 PM
Please, don&#39;t use such language.


This topic is closed now&#33;

pnug
07-17-2003, 07:02 AM
Hi new to this forum but desperately need a copy of windows 3.11 and help greatly appreciated.

locustfurnace
07-17-2003, 10:58 AM
Windows For Workgroups 3.11 is a retail app. It would be illegal to offer it for download. check ebay for pricing

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...&category=11229 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3617832398&category=11229)

handyman
10-28-2003, 04:01 AM
I just purchase a bundled CD in which it contains one that I like to upload to
my PC: Win3.11 Workgroups.
I use Virtual PC v5.2 to carry this task.
Unfortunately, the upload is incomplete.
I am :unsure: what to do next.
Please assist me then.

What I Meant is INSTALL

locustfurnace
10-28-2003, 04:34 AM
can you add alittle more info in what it is you are asking? I am not certain what it is your asking help for.

Mosky
10-28-2003, 07:30 AM
Handyman wants to "upload " .... I guess he wants to install it on his PC.

locustfurnace
10-28-2003, 02:32 PM
thanks Mosky, i see, he ended the sentence too soon, if i continue to read the one line and next line as a complete sentence then i see what he was meaning.
wants to upload Win3.11 to his VM.
I just went to a computer show, they were selling packaged WFW3.11 for &#036;10, which i though rather steep, since on the same table was an OEM version of Windows 2k, and it was &#036;9.00.

Goslow
10-29-2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by locustfurnace@Oct 28 2003, 02:32 PM
thanks GoSLOW,
Ahh&#33; What did I do now ? Mosky aint my Proxy :ph34r:

JonnyFlash
11-05-2003, 06:14 AM
Does anyone know where I can get Windows 3.x? I need it to put on my old 66mhz. If anyone knows get in contact with me at distortedunit@hotmail.com

Cheers
Jonny

locustfurnace
11-05-2003, 06:30 AM
as Windows 3.1 is a retail app, and copyright is still held by Microsoft, you will need to purchase a copy. check ebay.com, or go to a local computer show, i have seen them there for a couple dollars.

OldVersion.com is not a place to share retail apps. Your post has been asked many times before. Had you searched the forum before posting you would have learned this already.
http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?a...8&hl=windows+31 (http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=118&hl=windows+31)

pun
11-20-2003, 10:48 AM
Handy

Windows workgroup 3.11 if I remember right requires Windows 3.1 to be installed first and Windows 3.1 requires a DOS operating system first.

locustfurnace
11-20-2003, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by pun@Nov 20 2003, 10:48 AM
Handy

Windows workgroup 3.11 if I remember right requires Windows 3.1 to be installed first and Windows 3.1 requires a DOS operating system first.
the only DOS you need is to do a sys.com c:
no, WFW does not require 3.1 to be installed prior, as WFW 3.11 is a full version OS

pun
11-20-2003, 01:46 PM
Been so long since I used windows 3.1 I&#39;d forgotten. Didn&#39;t mean to confuse anyone. Thx for correcting me locustfurnace

locustfurnace
11-20-2003, 02:00 PM
thats ok. I just recently built an old box with WFW 3.11 on it. since had some old hardware and wanted to mess with an older email terminal, and for also testing the performance of the PC vs MAC of similar specs.

If you had Windows 3.1, you could turn it into WFW 3.11 with a few files from the WFW 3.11 package. Since Win 3.1 did not have networking, you had to use a third party TCP/IP package, like Wintrumpet.

Guest
11-25-2003, 11:17 AM
do not post links to site which contain illegal material.

wiz_kid_32
12-13-2003, 02:09 AM
Would anyone know where you can get/download the older versions of windows like windows 3.11, 2.0. 1.0 and others???

locustfurnace
12-13-2003, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by Oldversion.com Faqs@ http://www.oldversion.com/faq.php
Why do you only have freeware and shareware?
This is not a "warez" site. We are able to legally distribute only freeware and shareware, since they are free.

Windows is a commercial OS copyrighted by Microsoft. It can not be shared, that is illegal.

If you want these titles check ebay.com out or stop at a local computer show to find old packages of these.

Jaime Andrés
12-15-2003, 10:09 PM
I am trying to restore a vintage Amstrad 2086 to it&#39;s original condition. I have got all the hardware up and running and the only thing missing is Windows version 3x. I have Windows 3.1 on floppies but these PC&#39;s were shipped with 3x. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated http://www.terra.es/personal5/jamesjag/Captains%20Bigsmiley.gif

aafuss
12-16-2003, 02:07 AM
Try obtaining a copy from eBay.

locustfurnace
12-16-2003, 10:03 AM
They were shipped with win3x?, what do you define win3x as? if not a referrence to the whole 3.x series, such as we define windows 95/98 as the 9x series.
there is not a windows version 3x, it would be 3.0, 3.1, or 3.11WFW.
What CPU does the Amstrad have? MIPS?

You might want to try ebay, or a local computer show.
You will not be able to legally obtain it via downloading from the net, as it is illegal. So you might want to check into a online store that carrys older versions. ebay will for certain.

Jaime Andrés
12-16-2003, 11:48 AM
Sorry, I should have mentioned it was windows 3.0. I did have the original floppy disc but it must have got lost ages ago. I don&#39;t really have the opportunity to visit computer fairs as I live in Spain and it is the English version that I want. I am reluctant to use e-bay or similar facilities as some years ago my credit card was hacked when using it on e-bay http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Rage2.gif

Squashman
12-16-2003, 05:40 PM
DON&#39;T POST LINKS FOR RETAIL APPS&#33;

Jaime Andrés
12-16-2003, 08:06 PM
Thanks Squashman, that&#39;s exactlly what I needed plus more. http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Big-Thumbs-Up.gif

djrich
01-10-2004, 11:09 AM
Looking for installation files for old Windows versions (3.0) or older.
Thanks.

beanboy89
01-10-2004, 12:37 PM
Search before you post.
http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?a...t=ST&f=3&t=1691 (http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=1691) or http://www.oldversion.com/faq.php
It would be illegal to download any retail software, including any Windows version.

TheBulbasaurfreak
01-10-2004, 12:56 PM
True.

locustfurnace
01-10-2004, 03:49 PM
Check ebay.com out, they usually have them for sale cheap, or if there are any local computer shows in your area, go to them and ask for the software, someone might have original disks you can purchase.
Not sure why you would even want those old version of windows, there is not much to them, If you find someone who sales them you might be better off getting Windows 3.11WFW, which would also permit networking.

djrich
01-11-2004, 04:14 AM
OK sorry, I withdraw my request.

djrich
01-11-2004, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by locustfurnace@Jan 10 2004, 03:49 PM
Not sure why you would even want those old version of windows, there is not much to them, If you find someone who sales them you might be better off getting Windows 3.11WFW, which would also permit networking.
I have 3.1 which came with my first pc, I am just curious about the earlier versions and have an old 486 to mess around with and load them on to.

TheBulbasaurfreak
01-11-2004, 07:09 AM
I see.

Kevin
03-17-2004, 05:05 PM
I need win 3.1 for an old laptop to sell, Fast&#33; anyone have?

locustfurnace
03-17-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by FAQS@ http://www.oldversion.com/faq.php
Why do you only have freeware and shareware?
This is not a "warez" site. We are able to legally distribute only freeware and shareware, since they are free.
Microsoft Windows 3.1 is copyrighted and a protected works which can not be distributed or shared. That is illegal.
Check out Recycled Software (http://www.recycledsoftware.com/) or ebay.com
Also, this has been asked for before. and answered many times, if you had taken the time to search you would have had an answer.

Guest
03-19-2004, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Kevin@Mar 17 2004, 05:05 PM
I need win 3.1 for an old laptop to sell, Fast&#33; anyone have?
i have it.... win 1.0, 1.01, 1.03, 2.03, 3.1, 3.11 ...

Guest
03-19-2004, 12:40 PM
I&#39;ll be looking here in this thread so reply :-)

locustfurnace
03-19-2004, 03:52 PM
I&#39;ll reply with, you can purchase it on ebay.com
Thread is now closed.

Guest
05-31-2004, 12:20 AM
Program Name: ms windows
Website: microsoft.com
Current version: 2003
Desired versions: 3.0
Description: i want to bring alive my old computer

locustfurnace
05-31-2004, 12:28 AM
MS Windows 3.0 is a retail app, and can not be shared legally. It is still under copyright by Microsoft. If you had searched the forum you would have found this requested many times in the past, and answered all the same.
you can purchase a copy of Windows 3.0 on ebay.com or http://www.recycledsoftware.com/
If you want a free OS, you can download for FREE, "FreeDOS" from http://freedos.org/


previous requests for windows 3.0
http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?a...48&hl=windows+3 (http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=1648&hl=windows+3)
http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?a...67&hl=windows+3 (http://www.oldversion.com/talk/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=1767&hl=windows+3)

LogicError
06-03-2004, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by locustfurnace@May 30 2004, 11:28 PM
MS Windows 3.0 is a retail app, and can not be shared legally. It is still under copyright by Microsoft.
Incorrect. Once Microsoft "retires" an operating system, Microsoft no longer has any ownership or distribution rights. Thus, you CAN put any version of Windows that has been retired online for redistrobution. As of December 31, 2003, everything below Windows Millennium Edition has been retired and no longer has any "free" technical support. Also, do you think Microsoft would give a damn if you put up Windows 3.x? :-P

Want to bring alive an old computer but retain functionality? Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) <-- Go here, get it, download it, install it, use it. Originally create for free so no legalities to worry about ;-)

Jaime Andrés
06-03-2004, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by LogicError@Jun 3 2004, 09:53 PM
Once Microsoft "retires" an operating system, Microsoft no longer has any ownership or distribution rights. Thus, you CAN put any version of Windows that has been retired online for redistrobution. As of December 31, 2003, everything below Windows Millennium Edition has been retired and no longer has any "free" technical support. Also, do you think Microsoft would give a damn if you put up Windows 3.x? :-P


I hope your day time job is not as a lawyer. I&#39;m sure you will find that M&#036; still owns all rights to all windows versions whether they are supported or not.

locustfurnace
06-03-2004, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by LogicError+Jun 3 2004, 03:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LogicError @ Jun 3 2004, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by locustfurnace+May 30 2004, 11:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (locustfurnace @ May 30 2004, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>MS Windows 3.0 is a retail app, and can not be shared legally. It is still under copyright by Microsoft.[/b]
Incorrect. Once Microsoft "retires" an operating system, Microsoft no longer has any ownership or distribution rights. Thus, you CAN put any version of Windows that has been retired online for redistrobution. As of December 31, 2003, everything below Windows Millennium Edition has been retired and no longer has any "free" technical support. Also, do you think Microsoft would give a damn if you put up Windows 3.x? :-P
[/b]
Incorrect.
Copyrighted works have



17 USC Sec. 302 01/06/03

TITLE 17 - COPYRIGHTS

CHAPTER 3 - DURATION OF COPYRIGHT

-HEAD-

Sec. 302. Duration of copyright: Works created on or after January 1, 1978

-STATUTE-

(a) In General. - Copyright in a work created on or after January 1, 1978, subsists from its creation and, except as provided by the following subsections, endures for a term consisting of the life of the author and 70 years after the author&#39;s death.

(B) Joint Works. - In the case of a joint work prepared by two or more authors who did not work for hire, the copyright endures for a term consisting of the life of the last surviving author and 70 years after such last surviving author&#39;s death.




Dont make up laws, LOOKUP laws before giving your expertise.
MS never &#39;retired&#39;; a single OS from their catalog. DOS is not retired, if it were, then MS legal dept would not still be issuing C&D&#39;s.
You can NOT put it online, only the owner can decide what and HOW it can be distributed, not some online website.
Does MS still care, YES it does, it is called Intellectual Property, or IP. MS owns the IP for the life.
ONLY if they make the software fall under a &#39;Public Domain&#39; license, can people share it.
MS is in the business of making MONEY, and they make their money by selling software, they have no intention of giving someone something for free that they could still sell to someone, somewhere.
Just because MS no longer gives support does not mean it is free to steal, or that they lose their ownership of it. They no longer support it because its been replaced.
Also. Had you paid attention to the REAL WORLD. you would been aware that MS did not &#39;retire&#39; their older OS&#39;s. If you mean &#39;retire&#39; as in they no longer give support for their older software, this is not true. The date you quote "As of December 31, 2003" also. is made up out of thin air, For infact, MS has extended support until June 30, 2006 for these older titles, being 98, 98SE, ME. As it was intending to stop supporting these OS in December 2004. So nowhere does the year 2003 even get mentioned with ending support.
http://news.com.com/Older+Windows+versions....html?tag=st.rn (http://news.com.com/Older+Windows+versions+win+renewed+support/2100-1016_3-5139644.html?tag=st.rn)
Merely no supporting these titles or giving technical help does not mean they expire their ownsership either.



Originally posted by -http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:ASfnTv6Q5sQJ:www.rosenlaw.com/html/GL15a.pdf+%22public+domain%22+license&hl=en
Intellectual property enters the public domain only when it grows old. Everything else, including certainly any computer software of recent vintage, is owned by somebody somewhere. It is not "free" for the taking.

The legal monopolies for software under copyright laws last a very long time. Under current law, copyright extends for the life of the author plus 70 years; in the case of pseudonymous or anonymous works, or works made for hire, copyright extends for 95 years from the year of its first publication or 120 years from the year of its creation, whichever expires first. The software industry is new, and so it is rare today to find any important software for which the copyright has expired.
NOTE: "The software industry is new, and so it is rare today to find any important software for which the copyright has expired."

<!--QuoteBegin--LogicError@Jun 3 2004, 03:53 PM
Want to bring alive an old computer but retain functionality? Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) <-- Go here, get it, download it, install it, use it. Originally create for free so no legalities to worry about ;-)[/quote]

Originally?? It was and still is &#39;Free.&#39; It is Licensed software under the GPL (General Public License), it is free, but that does not mean it is no cost software. The free is &#39;FREE&#39; like in Free Speech.

<!--QuoteBegin--GPL@http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.txt
GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE

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We protect your rights with two steps: (1) copyright the software, and (2) offer you this license which gives you legal permission to copy,distribute and/or modify the software.[/quote]

This means the source code is made freely available, but has nothing to do with cost.
There is a license, and this means legalese. Such as you can not claim you wrote the software yourself, you must credit those who wrote the code before you made your changes. You MUST release the source code and make the source code freely available, You can not restrict what someone does with the software except, they can not modify and claim to have written it or not make the source code available.
Debian GNU/Linux is a distribution (collection) of &#39;GNU software&#39; & the &#39;Linux&#39; kernel. And this is true of all Linux Distros.
Linux works well on NEW and OLD computers, It works fine a server, embedded OS, whatever you can think of, it probably has been ported to.

REad
06-10-2004, 06:02 PM
dude did u know windows is based on dos? how will they give up their rights on dos or any other os they got? plus, is really stupid, if u wanted something, ud look for it, or ask, but not here, though i think its retarded, i have seen copies of windows 98 in wal mart andsome stores, and i mean windows 98, which is old, but u know... ms doesnt give up rights on something unless it sells it... common sense, has msn sold any windows version to another company? guess not...


and, win 3.xx???? at least get win 95 which is better, or just work with dos... if u know how...


linux is not recommended for noobs so dont even dream about that one

Spy Guy
08-11-2004, 02:38 PM
can anyone help me get windows 1.0, and dos 1.0 for my old 80&#39;s computer?
Thanks&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :) :) :) :)

Pete
08-11-2004, 03:13 PM
Since they&#39;re not freeware or shareware, you&#39;re not going to get them here.

Having said that....Windows 1.0 is horrible. If your machine can&#39;t handle Windows 3.1 or newer, stick with DOS.

You didn&#39;t say exactly how old your machine is, but I have an old (circa 1986) IBM XT with an 8088 processor that runs DOS 5.0 handily. It&#39;s a lot more comprehensive than the abbreviated versions that were distributed with Windows. If your machine can use it but can&#39;t run Windows 3.1, I recommend DOS 5.0

Instead of using Windows, put dosshell as the last line of your autoexec.bat file. It&#39;s a user friendly interface that can be used with or without a mouse.... Much better than Windows 1.0...... It can even simulate multitasking by using swap files.

locustfurnace
08-12-2004, 07:28 AM
FreeDOS (http://freedos.org/)
FreeDOS aims to be a complete, free, 100% MS-DOS compatible operating system (mostly achieved except Windows compatibility and some smaller issues
Still actively being developed today, A better choice over an older version of any MS, or IBM DOS&#39;s. I&#39;ve used it on a 286 laptop which was later used as an e-mail station.

Pete
08-12-2004, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by locustfurnace@Aug 12 2004, 06:28 AM
FreeDOS (http://freedos.org/)
FreeDOS aims to be a complete, free, 100% MS-DOS compatible operating system (mostly achieved except Windows compatibility and some smaller issues
Still actively being developed today, A better choice over an older version of any MS, or IBM DOS&#39;s. I&#39;ve used it on a 286 laptop which was later used as an e-mail station.
Does it have dosshell.exe or an equilivant user interface (and all the other commands that were eliminated when Windows became the primary interface)?

That&#39;s really why Dos 5.0 is my favorite version. IMHO, it was the last version that served as a complete OS.

locustfurnace
08-12-2004, 03:56 PM
I am not sure if it does have dosshell, I never used a shell in DOS so i can not answer that.
But I am positive there are many shells you can find and use. I think I may have some bookmarked somewhere, I&#39;ll have to check in a few days when I am back at my machines.

The download is about 20megs for FreeDOS, you can burn it to a CD to boot it as well. If you have the speed, it is worth checking into.

Pete
08-12-2004, 04:34 PM
I checked out the freedos website. There were links to a couple of GUIs that they recommend....At least one of them requires at least a 386 processor.

"Spy Guy" didn&#39;t give us enough specifics. If he has a 386, he can use Windows 3.1 or 3.11.

If it&#39;s so old that it doesn&#39;t have a hard drive, he probably needs something that will fit on a single 5-1/4" 360K floppy. Perhaps one of the DOS 3.x versions (or equalivant). Without a HD, a GUI won&#39;t be that useful anyway.

Whatever it is, I DO NOT recommend Windows 1.0

rhoadesb
08-17-2004, 05:22 PM
I doubt anyone but Mr. Gates and close associates have access to MS-DOS 1.0. I checked into this once out of curiousity. If memory serves 1.1 may be somewhere available.

I hope someone keeps these things. They are history, and may one day have antique value.

Jaime Andrés
08-17-2004, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by rhoadesb@Aug 17 2004, 10:22 PM
I doubt anyone but Mr. Gates and close associates have access to MS-DOS 1.0. I checked into this once out of curiousity. If memory serves 1.1 may be somewhere available.

I hope someone keeps these things. They are history, and may one day have antique value.
It just goes to show how computer based technology surges ahead of everything else. If today I were to be offered a 1996 computer system, probably a 486 processor, 8Mb Ram and five hundred odd MB HDD I would fall off my chair laughing. However ask me if I would like a 1996 Mercedes SL 500 I would tear your arm off to have one...Why, because basically the latest SL 500 is not as fast, good looking as the older model. Not so in the computer world.

locustfurnace
08-18-2004, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Jaime Andrés+Aug 17 2004, 06:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jaime Andrés @ Aug 17 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--rhoadesb@Aug 17 2004, 10:22 PM
I doubt anyone but Mr. Gates and close associates have access to MS-DOS 1.0. I checked into this once out of curiousity. If memory serves 1.1 may be somewhere available.

I hope someone keeps these things. They are history, and may one day have antique value.
It just goes to show how computer based technology surges ahead of everything else. If today I were to be offered a 1996 computer system, probably a 486 processor, 8Mb Ram and five hundred odd MB HDD I would fall off my chair laughing. However ask me if I would like a 1996 Mercedes SL 500 I would tear your arm off to have one...Why, because basically the latest SL 500 is not as fast, good looking as the older model. Not so in the computer world. [/b][/quote]
I just recently built a dedicated firewall and DMZ / web server on a 1995 machine. Works well. The firewall machine i built which does my NAT Routing was a 90mhz 8megs RAM, No Hard drive box. Also. it worked extremely well.

It all depends on what you wish to use the box for. Having a Quad Xeon Server with 16GB RAM is a waste of money for someone who wishes to just write an e-mail or surf the net. For the majority of people using computers these days. This will do them nothing but break the bank.

Todays machines really for the most part are in general, severely under-used. The power these machines have is wasted. Apps are not optimized, Windows is bloated, all hardware is controllerless and depends on drivers.

If the software would be better, we&#39;d not need the horespower to bootstrap the machines that are being sold today.

Its too bad people view these &#39;millions of cycles per second&#39; machines as useless. As they did spreadsheets and databases and word processing well when they came out in their days, What has changed? the words people process? no. The software has changed to being extremely bloated to the point of silliness.

Ninjastorm
08-24-2004, 04:16 AM
Now before you go calling me crazy, im using VMware www.vmware.com

Program Name: Windows
Website: http://www.microsoft.com
Current version: XP
Desired versions: 3.11
Description: Um? Do i really need one of these? lol

Program Name: Dos
Website: http://www.microsoft.com
Desired versions: 6.2 or 6.22
Description: The best OS there is :P

the gaffer
08-24-2004, 08:30 AM
sorry mate but these requests were not trial freeware or shareware and it would be illegal to post links for them, try searching www.ebay.com for a copy or try your local computer jumble stores or auctions , regarding site policies read this link http://www.oldversion.com/faq.php or you may want to try http://www.recycledsoftware.com/ for thr titles you want

locustfurnace
08-24-2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Ninjastorm@Aug 24 2004, 03:16 AM
Description: Um? Do i really need one of these? lol

Description: The best OS there is :P
Thats not what the description box means, Its not meant for a user comment, else it would have stated, place your comments here, It is for a description of the program being sought.
Besides that, If you are looking for these titles, Check
http://www.ebay.com


As the_gaffer states, it would be illegal to offer these retail products online for free.

Mudley
09-01-2004, 06:24 PM
In case anyone is interested, you can get boot disks for many old, as well as new, OS at: http://www.bootdisk.com/. Since the boot disks are legal to share and they have the OS as part of the boot disk, you would be able to transfer that to a harddrive and be able to boot the machine from the HD. Many of the supporting files, especially DOS based are available elsewhere legally.

These boot disks usually included the utilities format and fdisk.

Mudley

oscar
09-11-2004, 06:35 PM
i have found a site with a whole bunch of ol versions of winows if any one is still interested:

http://ww.ebay.com ( main site)

edited, sorry, this is not legal locustfurnace