furn, thank you very much for the first lesson in ftp. I read it very carefuly. I hope many peeps -- members and guests -- find this post. I have to look deeper into this. I checked out the Windows' ftp application, it has quite a syntax.
also grateful for the search tips, I had this on my "to do" list, and still have it: to check out Google's Search Tips (upper right corner tab, you have to put your mouse on it) http://min.midco.net/w0hju/temp4/snickers.html