Just wanted to add that I could help out if you want. I have a talent for "dumbing down" information.
First of all, thanks to the makers of this site.
I'd like to introduce the idea that this site would become much more useful if it identified which versions contained spyware/scumware/suckware/bloatware, the avoidance of which is perhaps the main reason why this site is so popular.
For each application, have a page with a table on it. The columns are the versions and the rows are [spyware], [forced advertisement], [scumware], etc.
The row headings are clickable, and provide information (i.e. for a media player or pdf reader, the description might read: "Installing this program will force your computer to send information about what you are viewing to others, without alerting you that it is doing so, and without informing you who it is being given to. They promise that you will remain anonymous (the information about what you view will not be associated with your identity) but they collect your IP address, which could be used to personally identify you."
(Different levels of spyware could be specified too. You could have row headings [spyware1] [spyware2] [spyware3], making each a link to its definition.)
Clicking on the row heading "scumware" would yeild the definition: "Installing this program will alter the appearance of websites you visit, so that what you see when you visit a website is different than what everyone else sees when they visit that same website. The appearance of the website might be changed so that it contains links that are unintended by the website's author. The reason this program alters the appearance of websites is usually to increase profits for the company which owns the program you are about to install. "
This would enable users to know what they are getting when they download a particular version. Even a very crude form of this table would be immensely useful.
(Later, the table may be expanded to include a few rows corresponding to features relevant to that application. However, the main purpose of identifying scumware, suckware, spyware.)
This would enable visitors to see, for instance, that Versions 1.0 thru 3.0 of Application X did not have scumware, but Versions 4.0 thru 7.1 do. This would enable them to be able to make more informed decisions about what they download.
This would also reward developers which remove bad stuff from their programs, because the table would show that the undesired features were removed from newer versions.
Right now, there are a couple of posts in forums here and there, but it is spotty, worlds from exhaustive, and not easily accessed from the point of view of someone looking for info on which version of a particular ap to download.
I think it would be great to have plain english definitions. Everyone knows that licensing agreements are to long and the language too obtuse for most people to sit down and figure out just what they are agreeing to.
I think these things would greatly improve the value of oldversion.com to the public. What do you think?
Just wanted to add that I could help out if you want. I have a talent for "dumbing down" information.
Spyware can easily be stopped by ZoneAlarm or McAfee firewalls. They can
also be deleted by spyware-removing programs.
If you are REALLY concerned about your privacy, you should know that with
internet explorer, there are records of every site you have visited in index.dat
files located in:
c:\windows\tempor~1\content.ie5	 2;index.dat
c:\windows\cookies\index.dat
c:\windows\history\history.ie5
You can't see them in explorer, you can only delete them in DOS mode.
What makes me so mad is that it takes up so much space over time and
Microsoft did a good job hiding those files.
f**kmicrosoft.com has more infomation.
ZA is a mess, and yes, there are other ways to address scumware and suckware and spyware.
But that is kind of beside my point: People should have the right to know (or some means of knowing) that they are installing such crap when they install a program. The makers of these aps hide the fact that they are doing this, either by omitting info about what the program does* or hiding it by translating it into obtuse language that noone can understand and then inserting this difficult-to-identify needle somewhere in a five-page user agreement haystack. ... and that's if they notify you at all, which some don't. There are currently no consequences for doing this.
My point is, they're not exposed for what they are, and they can be.
One of the stated purposes of Old Version is to make available old versions which lack features we hate.
Why not expose newer scumware suckware versions for what they are, right here on OldVersion.com so that users who would like to download an ap know what they are getting? Isn't this the point of OldVersion.com, to offer a choice? The info I am proposing be put on OldVersion.com is not readily available elsewhere in an organized easy to comprehend form, as far as I know. OldVersion.com is the perfect place for it. Companies don't tell you which versions have scumware, etc. because they don't want you to know its there, and people coming to OldVersion.com are sometimes no better off because they can't figure out which versions have what, unless they are lucky enough to find some dotty info on a messageboard or usenet.
*(e.g. perform tasks like "phoning home" or altering the way other's web pages are viewed - tasks that have nothing to do with the purpose of the application the user is installing, and that users don't expect).
That is an excellent idea and we have considered variations of it for a while now. The biggest problem with that is keeping the information up-to-date and accurate.Originally posted by Exce1a@Mar 2 2003, 07:02 PM
I'd like to introduce the idea that this site would become much more useful if it identified which versions contained spyware/scumware/suckware/bloatware, the avoidance of which is perhaps the main reason why this site is so popular.
In about a week, we are planning on making some changes to OldVersion.com and adding new features. This should be a rather important update. It is still unclear which features will be added. However, your idea is definitely something that we will give a lot of thought to.
If you would like to help out, please email or PM me.
- Igor
[That is an excellent idea and we have considered variations of it for a while now. The biggest problem with that is keeping the information up-to-date and accurate.QUOTE]QUOTE (Exce1a @ Mar 2 2003, 07:02 PM)
I'd like to introduce the idea that this site would become much more useful if it identified which versions contained spyware/scumware/suckware/bloatware, the avoidance of which is perhaps the main reason why this site is so popular.
In about a week, we are planning on making some changes to OldVersion.com and adding new features. This should be a rather important update. It is still unclear which features will be added. However, your idea is definitely something that we will give a lot of thought to.
If you would like to help out, please email or PM me.
- Igor [/QUOTE]
Lookn for something else saw this got distracted as you do
Just adding my vote (If I get 1 ):Yes for this idea
It can only make life better
BTW. I understand the latest version of GetRight has had the adware/spyware removed.Sounds like a go ahead company to me.
This interesting info but I have a question..... I ONLY use NetscapeOriginally posted by The Muffin Man@Mar 6 2003, 11:38 AM
If you are REALLY concerned about your privacy, you should know that with
internet explorer, there are records of every site you have visited in index.dat.......
Microsoft did a good job hiding those files......
(just upgraded to 7.1 and LOVE it)
but does Netscape do this too?
Or just wonderful MS??
This interesting info but I have a question..... I ONLY use NetscapeOriginally posted by CALM+Jul 26 2003, 01:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CALM @ Jul 26 2003, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--The Muffin Man@Mar 6 2003, 11:38 AM
If you are REALLY concerned about your privacy, you should know that with
internet explorer, there are records of every site you have visited in index.dat.......
Microsoft did a good job hiding those files......
(just upgraded to 7.1 and LOVE it)
but does Netscape do this too?
Or just wonderful MS??[/b][/quote]
windows9x users;
to remove the index.dat file everytime you reboot windows, create a AUTOEXEC.BAT batch file in C:\
enter into the file
Del C:\WINDOWS\Profiles\LOCUSTFURNACE\Cookies\index.dat
DEL C:\windows\cookies\index.dat
replace Locustfurnace with your windows username
now when windows reboots it will remove this file every time.
for Netscape users there is (so far i only found the history.dat).
located here.
C:\WINDOWS\Profiles\LOCUSTFURNACE\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\LOCUSTFURNACE\*.slt\history.dat
change LOCUSTFURNACE to your netscape profile name. this can be deleted easily, unlike IE. Just go to this folder and delete your cache and .dat files
C:\WINDOWS\Profiles\LOCUSTFURNACE\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\Default User
another info file you might want to remove is for AOL AIM, if you use this messenger, there is also a history file, located at
C:\WINDOWS\Profiles\LocustFurnace\Application Data\Aim\LocustFurnace\urlcache
for safety reasons i would just make an another folder i this folder, name is DELETEME, and move the files you find into this DELETEME folder, then run AOL, make sure it works fine, then when everything is fine, remove the DELETEME file.
WOW! Thanks!
How do you know this stuff?!!?
I have been trying to figure out computers for years and am still at the advanced beginner level. I would really like to be able to learn how they work so I can do things with files instead of just windows. Do you read books? College? MS?
I read puter magazines and some books and they help some but I am not sure how the whole system goes together!
(so I will copy and paste this into a word doc.)
LOL, no college, no schooling, just have a great interest in Systems. i have used, demo'd, tested, experimented with hundreds of different operating systems. Doing the different systems you have to learn name association, kinda of the way you learn peoples name's. John Smith has multiple names, which all point back to John Smith, whether they be real names or psuedo names. Like, husband, father, son, uncle, dad, smitty, johnboy.... Anyway.Originally posted by CALM@Jul 26 2003, 08:32 PM
WOW! Thanks!
How do you know this stuff?!!?
I have been trying to figure out computers for years and am still at the advanced beginner level. I would really like to be able to learn how they work so I can do things with files instead of just windows. Do you read books? College? MS?
I read puter magazines and some books and they help some but I am not sure how the whole system goes together!
(so I will copy and paste this into a word doc.)
The more systems you know the more you can learn newer ones even faster once ya figured how how most systems are layed out. The Hardest system i have yet to run successfully is called Oberon. and it just never wanted to setup correctly, and it is a very different type of system.
Microsoft is just one of many systems i use.
The best way to learn windows, i feel, is to start using an OLD OLD system, get yourself a old system from a flea market, that has win 3.1 on it, or earlier. if you could get one with windows NT 3.1 would be better- more to configure.
As windows gains in years, it hides and make invisible more of the underlaying system - this makes it more user-friendly, just not user customizible or fixable. By dumbing down windows, you have to hide alot of things and or remove them or make them NON adjustable. Most computer users do not want to have to be a technican to run a system, thats why Windows is so popular for 1 reason, but thats another story.
Learning DOS will greatly help as well. and you should have some sort of DOS on your system, which you can learn on. getting an old system also requires that you know more hardware names. and you will be required to learn alot more with an older system.
Then read read read read read and read some more, you dont have to learn what you read, just as long as you read it. then one day while doing something you might say "oh i think i read about this somewhere" so even though you did not learn it, it still lingers in your memory that you are aware of this or that.
After you learn something, come to this or another forum and try to help out, or ask questions if you arent sure, then someone might be able to help you and it will speed up your learning process even faster.
And try to get your hands dirty in everything, from hardware to databases to programming to graphic arts to music editing to SGML to AI to postscript.
it takes time, but there is alot of enjoy